I heard this on another forum..
The explanation I heard was that: "All the major types have been produced" ....
Rumor? Fact? Dont know..But I guess they have to go where the $$ is....and they feel like that's in WWII, and jets.
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Eduard Leaving WWI Modeling?
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Posted: Friday, August 24, 2007 - 03:44 PM UTC
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Posted: Friday, August 24, 2007 - 03:56 PM UTC
Hey Jeff see; hyere at last entry for today.
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Posted: Friday, August 24, 2007 - 04:23 PM UTC
ok...dont understand why you would have included that news under
Subject: Modeling Spruce and Linen:
But ok. Word travels fast.
thanks!
Jeff
Subject: Modeling Spruce and Linen:
But ok. Word travels fast.
thanks!
Jeff
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Posted: Friday, August 24, 2007 - 05:18 PM UTC
Long live Roden then.
Posted: Friday, August 24, 2007 - 06:08 PM UTC
Hi gang
I do not understand the panic that started after Brets remark. Eduard has evolved very much over the last 15 years, but still is a relative small business. They are now trying to bring out some cash cows in other eras than WW1 (Fw 190, Bf 110, Hellcat, 1/32 Bf 109E, MiG-21, F4 Phantom) this takes many resources (manpower and financially) soo they take a break from ww1. As for main types done .. this is surely wrong but ask Joe Avarage for WW1 aircraft and you will hardly get all the types that Eduard did.
So two things remain. They do models now that will sell very well. Probably better than a new Albatros two seater, but I have no insight of the market to prove this asumption. OTOH they did first class WW1 subjects which will re-appear from time to time and as there seems to be some knowledge and love for the subject involved I bet there also will be new kits.
BTW just in from Hyperscale (Lynn Ritger):
best wishes
Steffen
I do not understand the panic that started after Brets remark. Eduard has evolved very much over the last 15 years, but still is a relative small business. They are now trying to bring out some cash cows in other eras than WW1 (Fw 190, Bf 110, Hellcat, 1/32 Bf 109E, MiG-21, F4 Phantom) this takes many resources (manpower and financially) soo they take a break from ww1. As for main types done .. this is surely wrong but ask Joe Avarage for WW1 aircraft and you will hardly get all the types that Eduard did.
So two things remain. They do models now that will sell very well. Probably better than a new Albatros two seater, but I have no insight of the market to prove this asumption. OTOH they did first class WW1 subjects which will re-appear from time to time and as there seems to be some knowledge and love for the subject involved I bet there also will be new kits.
BTW just in from Hyperscale (Lynn Ritger):
Quoted Text
(...) First thing this morning, I cornered Vlad to cover a few questions that were raised here last night and this AM, namely the WWI situation and the continuation of the Mirage series. Regarding the WWI stuff, Eduard is most emphatically NOT turning their backs on the series; Vlad mentioned a few things he'd like to tackle in the future, which will certainly bring smiles to ragwing builders' faces if they were to come to fruition, but for now they are focusing on the Hellcat, then the Bf 109E in 1/32, then the Fw 190D-9 (which will NOT have an exposed engine, I checked... Vlad likes the cleaner look of the aircraft with the cowlings closed), the Bf 110F/G in 1/48, the late MiG-21 family, and then the Phantoms. Make no mistake, Eduard is in it to win it, and is comfortable taking on the "big boys" when it comes to the F-4 family, so WWI guys, just trust that they're not abandoning you, they're doing what they think is best for their business and I suspect they'll be proven right.( ... )
best wishes
Steffen
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Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 05:24 AM UTC
I tend to be loyal to Eduard, because they produce what I think are some of the best kits on the market. They continue te re-release previous hits, with occasional new ones. I have 2 Rolands, 5 Albatri, 5 D.VIIs and 3 Nieuports, among others in my stash. When their Dr.I comes out, I will probably add at least 4-5 of those. I also have some of their FWs, and will soon add some Me 110s. The point is that I have enough WWI stuff to keep me busy for qiite a while. Re-releases will keep the stash growing rather than letting it shrink. I applaud their innovative FWs and Me 110s. I will buy what they produce, more because I trust the manufacturer than what I care about the subject matter. If they leave WWI for a while, I will just go to my stash. But because they are Eduard, I trust they will keep us "Earlies" entertained with cool stuff. I refuse to believe they will abandon us altogether.
So when will that new Dr.I in 1/48 come out?
So when will that new Dr.I in 1/48 come out?
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Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 07:22 AM UTC
Fellow Stringbaggers,
While the news is disheartening I can see their point about the business. If Eduard will keep up their trend of releasing their present catalog in the form of Limited and Weekend Editions with new marking schemes we could do alot worse and if Roden, Special Hobby, Hi-Tech and the rest keep releasing the more obscure items then we still have much to look forward to. I say then that we have to support those companies that do cater to our own niche of the hobby, which means I for one will be picking up most of the Roden catalog of 48 and invest in their 32s as well, maybe even get some stronger reading glasses and try 72 scale!. The same goes for whomever decides to release anything in our genre. Its time to support the folks who manufacture for us in a big way. That may mean picking up a release that you might have passed over earlier. All we need is to get Squadron to release some of the out of print decals they are sitting on and I can build as many Weekend Editions as I can get some other markings for. All is not lost, although I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a 1/48 Friedrichshafen!
Dwayne
While the news is disheartening I can see their point about the business. If Eduard will keep up their trend of releasing their present catalog in the form of Limited and Weekend Editions with new marking schemes we could do alot worse and if Roden, Special Hobby, Hi-Tech and the rest keep releasing the more obscure items then we still have much to look forward to. I say then that we have to support those companies that do cater to our own niche of the hobby, which means I for one will be picking up most of the Roden catalog of 48 and invest in their 32s as well, maybe even get some stronger reading glasses and try 72 scale!. The same goes for whomever decides to release anything in our genre. Its time to support the folks who manufacture for us in a big way. That may mean picking up a release that you might have passed over earlier. All we need is to get Squadron to release some of the out of print decals they are sitting on and I can build as many Weekend Editions as I can get some other markings for. All is not lost, although I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a 1/48 Friedrichshafen!
Dwayne
Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 08:11 AM UTC
Hi all
I have to say I don't believe a word of it. In fact, I stick by my prediction of some large-scale WW1 a/c from Eduard at some point in the future - they've just bought larger injection-moulding gear that would make such kits feasible for them.
By their own admission, their superb Avia B.534 kits were something of a labour of love, with a fairly limited appeal beyond Czech enthusiasts so, perhaps uniquely among mainstream manufacturers, they aren't entirely market-driven.
That said, Eduard are nothing if not ambitious(!) - and to give up on a market that they've almost come to dominate (with all due respect to Roden et al) just isn't in their nature. No, the more I think about it, the more it sounds like an attempt to make a story out of nothing in the traditional summer lull.
But Dwayne has it right; the best way to ensure a thriving WW1 scene is to snap up every kit that appears! Rest assured, if the demand's there, the manufacturers won't ignore it...
All the best
Rowan
I have to say I don't believe a word of it. In fact, I stick by my prediction of some large-scale WW1 a/c from Eduard at some point in the future - they've just bought larger injection-moulding gear that would make such kits feasible for them.
By their own admission, their superb Avia B.534 kits were something of a labour of love, with a fairly limited appeal beyond Czech enthusiasts so, perhaps uniquely among mainstream manufacturers, they aren't entirely market-driven.
That said, Eduard are nothing if not ambitious(!) - and to give up on a market that they've almost come to dominate (with all due respect to Roden et al) just isn't in their nature. No, the more I think about it, the more it sounds like an attempt to make a story out of nothing in the traditional summer lull.
But Dwayne has it right; the best way to ensure a thriving WW1 scene is to snap up every kit that appears! Rest assured, if the demand's there, the manufacturers won't ignore it...
All the best
Rowan
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Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 09:15 AM UTC
I will keep buying them. I do support the other WWI manufacturers also.
I buy what I like and like what I buy.
I think Eduard will continue to find a way to get my allowance every month.
I buy what I like and like what I buy.
I think Eduard will continue to find a way to get my allowance every month.
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Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 09:52 AM UTC
Carl,
I know what you mean by allowance and I'm right there with you. I may have to cheat a bit here and there but at least my wife knows where I am at night!
Dwayne
I know what you mean by allowance and I'm right there with you. I may have to cheat a bit here and there but at least my wife knows where I am at night!
Dwayne
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Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 10:18 AM UTC
WWI modeling.....it's not just a hobby...it's a way of life. As Michael Conrad used to say on Hill Street Blues......hey, hey, hey.....Let's be careful out there!!
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Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 10:38 AM UTC
Essentailly this means after summer 2008 we may not see a "new" Eduard mold for an undetermined amount of time. They will continue to sell their existing molds in different packaging. Though I have heard them say that they would never do a twoseater again after their Roland C.II kit at the 2000 IPMS nats.
Eduard has built a market for WWI kits. They won't abandon that for trying to beat out Tamigawa. It may just be a clever marketing ploy. Then by next year they come back with. . . "things have changed" and / or "We are rethinking our stance." Talk about a vacum if they walk away totally. By the way Roden has already heard about the Eduard claim.
If it sells you can expect anything from the smaller companies. For a steady stream of kits there are still;
Roden
Special Hobby
Copper State Models
Planet Models
Pegasus / Blue Max
Eduard has built a market for WWI kits. They won't abandon that for trying to beat out Tamigawa. It may just be a clever marketing ploy. Then by next year they come back with. . . "things have changed" and / or "We are rethinking our stance." Talk about a vacum if they walk away totally. By the way Roden has already heard about the Eduard claim.
If it sells you can expect anything from the smaller companies. For a steady stream of kits there are still;
Roden
Special Hobby
Copper State Models
Planet Models
Pegasus / Blue Max
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Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 10:54 AM UTC
I wont be 100% happy with no "new" kits from Eduard, but, that's what we'll have to take. That being said, All I want is for them to keep stocking their existing kits and not let them go OOP. Because "if" they let them go OOP, it's off to the races at Ebay, and we all know from our economics class what happens then.
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Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 01:14 PM UTC
I just checked one of the boxes for Eduards DVII's and it says "made in Czech Republic 2005". And i think for 1/48 that is still the most recent WW1 Eduard subject? And you have to go back at least another 1 or so years to get to the Camel.
My point is that Eduard seem to have been backing out of new release WW1 kits for some time and no one seems to have noticed too much. I'm sure thier marketing people have noticed people not noticing. So if Eduard does not release any new WW1 kits for a few years...well we've been through that already and made do. Sorry to ignore 1/72, and i know that they've done some more stuff recently- it's just i do 1/48.
Of course they'll keep re-releasing their old stuff. That makes perfect sense. Can't wait for the weekend DVII's.
Currently Eduard make the best kits out there, and i hope they can take on the Far Eastern giants.
My point is that Eduard seem to have been backing out of new release WW1 kits for some time and no one seems to have noticed too much. I'm sure thier marketing people have noticed people not noticing. So if Eduard does not release any new WW1 kits for a few years...well we've been through that already and made do. Sorry to ignore 1/72, and i know that they've done some more stuff recently- it's just i do 1/48.
Of course they'll keep re-releasing their old stuff. That makes perfect sense. Can't wait for the weekend DVII's.
Currently Eduard make the best kits out there, and i hope they can take on the Far Eastern giants.