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Is it okay to paint Tamiya paint first
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Posted: Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 02:14 AM UTC
Hi I know this might of been covered before,but asking anyway.

Is it okay to shoot Tamiya flat black first then shoot Alclad Black primer then the Finial coats of Alclad paint.

Thanks
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Posted: Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 02:37 AM UTC
Hi Jeff,
I wouldn't bother with the Alclad primer, just use the Tamiya paint.
If you will be spraying any of the high gloss Alclad paints (polished aluminium, etc) substitute the XF-1 Flat black for X-1 Gloss black.
I have never used the Alclad primer and never had a problem.
Andy
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Posted: Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 02:46 AM UTC
Just to echo what Andy says, I always use Tamiya Gloss Black as an undercoat for Alclad and have never had any issues with it.
When Ive had occasion to respray Alclad to cover up any overspray etc, I brush on some Klear/Future and spray the Alclad over that.
Hope this helps
Nige
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Posted: Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 04:25 AM UTC
Thanks to both but don't have any Gloss Tamiya black on hand.
But again the Hobby town is only 5 miles away.

So Hi Ho Hi Ho it's off to get some paint I go
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Posted: Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 05:46 AM UTC
Bummer no Tamiya Gloss at Hobby Land so with that got Model Master acrylic Gloss black instead hope works out.

Bummer big time.
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Posted: Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 06:34 AM UTC
Its the gloss finish that your looking for in the undercoat
Some people use Klear/Future.
I would think that Model Master would be fine
Nige
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Posted: Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 01:42 PM UTC
Thanks Nige.

Just about ready for Paint.

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Posted: Sunday, September 23, 2007 - 10:14 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Thanks Nige.

Just about ready for Paint.




Great,,but I cant see any photos
Nige
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Posted: Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 01:10 PM UTC
Soon their Nige real soon.
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Posted: Friday, September 28, 2007 - 01:38 AM UTC
Hi all!

Tamiya gloss black is good as an undercoat/primer for Alclad, as long as it is the ENAMEL that comes in a spraycan!

I would NEVER use any form of acrylic paints with Alclad, which is lacquer-based!
It might work, or not, but probably the Alclad paint will "eat" into the acrylic, and even into the plastic over time.

If the plastic surface is fine and smooth, I use "regular" Alclad shades (White/dark aluminium, burnt metal, jet exhaust etc.) directly, without any primer.
Works well If you work slowly with many light(!) coats and not let the paint go on wet, It should dry as soon as It lands on the model.

If the plastic is scratched, or you have used several different materials (plastic, resin, etch) that varies in color, you can use any preferred high gloss ENAMEL.
I have used Humbrol gloss white, black grey and red for different effects, for a more deep metallic shade, black is the best.

For the "high shine" shades (polished aluminium/chrome or prismatic colors), you MUST have a high gloss black as Humbrol 21 / Tamiya black in spraycan/automobile paint (requires primer!) to get the desired effect.
Those shades are cellouluse(?)-thinner based, so they are very aggressive against the plastic.

Alclad is a fantastic paint, but It´s also totally unforgiving on a bad undercoat, EVERY little scratch will show up, so be careful here!

Just my thoughts on this matter!

Cheers!

Stefan E
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Posted: Friday, September 28, 2007 - 03:30 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Hi all!

Tamiya gloss black is good as an undercoat/primer for Alclad, as long as it is the ENAMEL that comes in a spraycan!

I would NEVER use any form of acrylic paints with Alclad, which is lacquer-based!
It might work, or not, but probably the Alclad paint will "eat" into the acrylic, and even into the plastic over time.

If the plastic surface is fine and smooth, I use "regular" Alclad shades (White/dark aluminium, burnt metal, jet exhaust etc.) directly, without any primer.
Works well If you work slowly with many light(!) coats and not let the paint go on wet, It should dry as soon as It lands on the model.

If the plastic is scratched, or you have used several different materials (plastic, resin, etch) that varies in color, you can use any preferred high gloss ENAMEL.
I have used Humbrol gloss white, black grey and red for different effects, for a more deep metallic shade, black is the best.

For the "high shine" shades (polished aluminium/chrome or prismatic colors), you MUST have a high gloss black as Humbrol 21 / Tamiya black in spraycan/automobile paint (requires primer!) to get the desired effect.
Those shades are cellouluse(?)-thinner based, so they are very aggressive against the plastic.

Alclad is a fantastic paint, but It´s also totally unforgiving on a bad undercoat, EVERY little scratch will show up, so be careful here!

Just my thoughts on this matter!

Cheers!

Stefan E


Got to disagree with you there Steffan , I have only ever used Tamiya Acrylics as a primer for the Alclad and never once had a problem.
This F-100 was sprayed with Tamiya Flat black and Gloss Black acrylics, with several different colour Alclad paints over the top.
Andy
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Posted: Friday, September 28, 2007 - 07:45 AM UTC
Hi Andy!

Well, the question Is what happens in a few years from now?

I have had this very discussion with some of my modelling buddies here, and we all agreed we would go as I said earlier.

Maybe It´s just me that never can "make friends" with the acrylic paints?

I really don´t trust acrylics as a primer, but as I said, that´s my opinion.

Really Beautiful "Hun", which brand and scale?
I´m going for the big Trumpeter F-100 soon, can´t resist that one for sure!

Now THAT will be a serious exercise in Alclad!

Cheers!

Stefan E
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Posted: Monday, October 01, 2007 - 01:05 PM UTC
Well used MM acrylic Gloss black which kind of went a tad flat.

So first coats of Alclad applied so far so good and you are right Stefan it will show flaws but not as bad as the Black will
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