I was finding this aircraft on my local store but I couldn't see any 1/48 scale Raptors. Where can I find these nice aircrafts? Tamiya and Airfix brands would be good.
P.S. Have they used the Raptor in the latest war on Iraq? If so, what color scheme did they use? Pictures would be good.
Also, are there more modern planes being developed that has surpassed the Raptor?
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Where can I find a F-22 Raptor?
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Posted: Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 06:01 PM UTC
Linz
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Posted: Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 09:58 PM UTC
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I was finding this aircraft on my local store but I couldn't see any 1/48 scale Raptors. Where can I find these nice aircrafts? Tamiya and Airfix brands would be good.
Italeri and Revell (one a re-box of the other) both make Raptors in 1/48. Being the same kit, neither is a top line kit, however they are acceptable.
1/48 Italeri F-22A Raptor
1/48 Italeri F-22 Raptor
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P.S. Have they used the Raptor in the latest war on Iraq? If so, what color scheme did they use? Pictures would be good.
No, the F-22 is not in operational service yet. Colours is as per the F-15C/F-16C.
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Also, are there more modern planes being developed that has surpassed the Raptor?
That is UNCLAS? No. The Russians claim big things - especially from the Su-27 family whilst the British (Eurofighter) and the French (Rafele) come closer, neither is as 'good' as the F-22 in the air-superority role. I argue that the YF-23 was a better air superiority fighter, but then again I don't make the USAF budget.
Cheers,
Linz
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Posted: Friday, April 25, 2003 - 02:33 AM UTC
Testors used to box the Italeri kit complete with acrylics and an "airbrush/propellant cans system". I bought one at a Toys R Us for $22 but sold it to someone who really wanted it. I've since bought it in 1/72 scale. I originally bought the Testors YF-22 in 1/32 scale for around $15 but it was way too big to build and display anywhere. Sold that one as well.
No real rush to get it into use for the second Gulf War, air superiority wasn't an issue. We had air dominance (other side had no real air force).
No real rush to get it into use for the second Gulf War, air superiority wasn't an issue. We had air dominance (other side had no real air force).
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Posted: Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 01:43 AM UTC
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No, the F-22 is not in operational service yet. Colours is as per the F-15C/F-16C.
Why so? Are they afraid of losing a multimillion (or maybe a billion) dollar to succeed or are they planing to "surprise" the enemy with their new technology? Thanks for the images
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Posted: Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 01:45 AM UTC
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Italeri and Revell (one a re-box of the other) both make Raptors in 1/48. Being the same kit, neither is a top line kit, however they are acceptable.
Yes, I have seen the Italeri kit in a local hobby shop today but wasn't happy because they have no actual pictures of the model on the side of the box.
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Posted: Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 02:36 AM UTC
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Why so? Are they afraid of losing a multimillion (or maybe a billion) dollar to succeed or are they planing to "surprise" the enemy with their new technology?
Aircraft are extremely complex, and the Raptor is the most advanced bird in the air (that we know of). It's still going through testing and hasn't been ok'ed for operational service yet. They won't be distributed it to operational squadrons until the Air Force gives it the final green light.
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Posted: Saturday, April 26, 2003 - 06:44 PM UTC
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Quoted TextNo, the F-22 is not in operational service yet. Colours is as per the F-15C/F-16C.
Why so? Are they afraid of losing a multimillion (or maybe a billion) dollar to succeed or are they planing to "surprise" the enemy with their new technology? Thanks for the images
No, not really. Even had they been in service I doubt they would have been sent to the Gulf, the Iraqi Air Force was practically non-existant, assents that were already in-theatre would have been more than enough to handle anythng (as they were).
But why isn't it in service? Two reasons, beuracracy and complexity. The first is obvious, beuracracy always delays things - for good or bad. Nearly every program now-days is plagued with beuracracy, be they military or civil. If you can, read Ben Rich's book on the F-117 and Skunk Works - from no auditors on the U-2 progam to a huge number for the Have Blue/F-117 program.
Finally, the F-22 is a complex beast - compare it to a P-51 for instance. Nearly every plane is more complex than the one it is replacing, and hence requires that much more testing and fine tuning. Remember also that the F-22 is a fairly new plane, a number of years before the aircraft flying was a YF-22, which is a different aircraft in many ways.
Cheers,
Linz
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Posted: Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 01:14 AM UTC
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If you can, read Ben Rich's book on the F-117 and Skunk Works
Good book. I laughed, I cried. . . well not really, but it was still good.
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Posted: Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 01:21 AM UTC
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No, not really. Even had they been in service I doubt they would have been sent to the Gulf, the Iraqi Air Force was practically non-existant, assents that were already in-theatre would have been more than enough to handle anythng (as they were).
But why isn't it in service? Two reasons, beuracracy and complexity. The first is obvious, beuracracy always delays things - for good or bad. Nearly every program now-days is plagued with beuracracy, be they military or civil. If you can, read Ben Rich's book on the F-117 and Skunk Works - from no auditors on the U-2 progam to a huge number for the Have Blue/F-117 program.
Finally, the F-22 is a complex beast - compare it to a P-51 for instance. Nearly every plane is more complex than the one it is replacing, and hence requires that much more testing and fine tuning. Remember also that the F-22 is a fairly new plane, a number of years before the aircraft flying was a YF-22, which is a different aircraft in many ways.
Cheers,
Linz
OK, I got their point. But why are they showing these in public? Do they want to show fear to their enemies or they want to show off their great war potential? What I've heard in the military that "suprise is the essence of battle". If they want to win the war, they should keep military secrets a "military secret". Just wondering. I wanna know
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Posted: Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 01:43 AM UTC
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But why are they showing these in public? Do they want to show fear to their enemies or they want to show off their great war potential? What I've heard in the military that "suprise is the essence of battle". If they want to win the war, they should keep military secrets a "military secret". Just wondering. I wanna know
Because this is program represents an enormous expenditure of public funds. Here in America, large scale military procuement programs are regarded as an important and legitimate subject of public debate. Almost all such programs have supporters and dectractors, both in Washington and amongst the public at large. Those who are attempting to justify the high expense of the programs (especially the military itself) have to post some "rivet review" pics, if you will, to keep supporters on board and to counter criticism. Thus, if the Air Force wants to see the F-22 make it into service (something that's still not 100% certain to happen, though quite likely), it needs to essentially put out favorable (and truthful) propaganda.
Besides, the tests where the YF-22 was selected over the YF-23 were largely public, and everyone has known for years what the F-22 looks like. Seeing more pictures won't change the level of usable information available to enemies of the U.S.; it's not the appearance of the F-22 that is surprising and dangerous, it's the capabilities.
Hope that helps you understand. The public disclosure of that sort of information isn't really controversial here, or, IMHO, harmful.
Dave
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Posted: Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 02:00 AM UTC
I saw a couple Tamiya F-22 in the stores, I know they have one for 1/72, this one is bigger boxed, so I assume it might be 1/48... I could be wrong.
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Posted: Sunday, April 27, 2003 - 04:34 AM UTC
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I saw a couple Tamiya F-22 in the stores, I know they have one for 1/72, this one is bigger boxed, so I assume it might be 1/48... I could be wrong.
Rebox of Italeri's F-22
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