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Other Vertical Take-off Planes?
shonen_red
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Posted: Monday, April 28, 2003 - 01:37 AM UTC
Is the Harrier the only plane that can take off vertically? Can you give me some pics on these other V/STOL planes?
TwistedFate
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Posted: Monday, April 28, 2003 - 01:45 AM UTC
Check the V/STOL Historical Society
penpen
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Posted: Monday, April 28, 2003 - 01:48 AM UTC
There are soviet navy planes also : yak 38, and more recently the yak 141.
Otherwise, there has been many research programs in several countrys : UK, germany, France, US...
Otherwise, there has been many research programs in several countrys : UK, germany, France, US...
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Posted: Monday, April 28, 2003 - 03:00 AM UTC
And the new F-35 JSF (Joint Strike Fighter) that Lockheed will build will have a V/STOL variant for the Marine Corps (F-35C, I believe).
See http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/xplanes/ for more information/images/film of the JSF planes (F-35 plus the losing Boeing XF-32). I don't know if anybody has models out yet.
See http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/xplanes/ for more information/images/film of the JSF planes (F-35 plus the losing Boeing XF-32). I don't know if anybody has models out yet.
TwistedFate
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Posted: Monday, April 28, 2003 - 09:05 AM UTC
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See http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/xplanes/ for more information/images/film of the JSF planes (F-35 plus the losing Boeing XF-32). I don't know if anybody has models out yet.
Italeri has the XF-35.
Posted: Monday, April 28, 2003 - 06:20 PM UTC
Very interesting reading!! Thanks Shonen for the question!!!
And everyone else for the answers...
And everyone else for the answers...
Linz
Australia
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Posted: Monday, April 28, 2003 - 09:12 PM UTC
All helicopters obviously can (they are aeroplanes ); other succesful types (ie, more than just research) include the: Harrier, Yak-38, V-22 Osprey, F-35C JSF, (last two aren't fully in production yet), Rotodyne and Kestrel.
There were a whole bunch of one/two/three-off's of course.
Italeri make both the XF-35 and XF-32.
Cheers,
Linz
There were a whole bunch of one/two/three-off's of course.
Italeri make both the XF-35 and XF-32.
Cheers,
Linz
chip250
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Posted: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 03:15 AM UTC
Yeah, I think there were some Russian planes that could do it. Not sure which ones, just heard about it.
~Chip
~Chip
penpen
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Posted: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 07:32 AM UTC
The F35C mifht never get to production... There are questions of building the A and B versions only, because it costs a lot to develop the vertical take-off version.
But policies change, so you never know !
But policies change, so you never know !
Whiskey
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Posted: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 03:05 PM UTC
Thank God that the Marines didnt use the V-22 over in the Gulf.Just think of how many problems and lives it would have costed us.
Linz
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Posted: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 08:48 PM UTC
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Thank God that the Marines didnt use the V-22 over in the Gulf.Just think of how many problems and lives it would have costed us.
And that is based on?...
There has been some crashes in the V-22 program, not all of them due to the airframe. Keep in mind the complexities and personally I think that there hasn't been that large of a suprise. New (and the V-22 is new in many ways) aircraft will crash, the B-17, B-29, YF-22 and F-14 (amongst others) all suffered crashes in their testing program, and in some cases deaths.
Given the choice between the V-22 and a UH-60 in 10 years and I'll take the V-22 any time.
Cheers,
Linz
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Posted: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 - 09:03 PM UTC
Gotta go with Linz on that one. The V-22 is a sound concept and most of the problems with the bird is a software problem, not an airframe problem.
I hope they do fix the problem and get them into service soon and replace those CH-46's. The ones you hear about all the time falling apart in flight around here and over in the gulf.
The same opinion was voiced about the AV-8B Harrier when it first went into service. Now the Marine Corps swear by it. When I was stationed in Yuma back in the 80's those Harriers were dropping like flies due to pilot error not the aircraft.
Being a new conceprt it will take some work to get the bugs out, but when they do watch out and see the usses it wil have
I hope they do fix the problem and get them into service soon and replace those CH-46's. The ones you hear about all the time falling apart in flight around here and over in the gulf.
The same opinion was voiced about the AV-8B Harrier when it first went into service. Now the Marine Corps swear by it. When I was stationed in Yuma back in the 80's those Harriers were dropping like flies due to pilot error not the aircraft.
Being a new conceprt it will take some work to get the bugs out, but when they do watch out and see the usses it wil have