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Posted: Saturday, July 19, 2008 - 02:28 PM UTC

Russian low altitude troop 'eraser' Known as the "Fire Hedgehog" consisted of 88 machine guns. A/C would sweep over concentrations of troops, open the bomb bay doors and let all hell break loose below them.


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Posted: Saturday, July 19, 2008 - 03:33 PM UTC
Interesting idea.
Any idea what aircraft they put it in?
vanize
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Posted: Saturday, July 19, 2008 - 06:54 PM UTC
holy moly!

looks like the tail unit of a Pe2?
sdk10159
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Posted: Saturday, July 19, 2008 - 09:26 PM UTC
I believe it was a TU-2
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Posted: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 09:15 PM UTC
Very interesting photo. I have never seen that before. Looks a bit insane to me - I would not like to be the loader in that bomb bay.

There must be a better way to get the same effect by using fragmentation bombs or fewer but faster firing belt fed machine guns.

Thanks for sharing
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Posted: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 - 10:19 PM UTC
There is. It is called AC-130(or 119 or 47):] This is just a rather older version:P Does anyone know, is this thing realy used?
CaptainA
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Posted: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 07:31 AM UTC
Just imagine the recoil. After a 10 second burst, the aircraft would probably gain 1000 feet in altitude.

Comrade mechanic-private, your mission is to bore-sight this aircraft. Have it ready in two hours.
BorisS
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Posted: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 09:55 AM UTC
PPSh-s though? Why? One would think they would mount a better weapon than a bunch of PPShs.
Not that they're bad, just not a good choice for something like this.


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Just imagine the recoil.


Shouldn't be something a plane can't handle. These are SMGs after all.
The AT variants of the JU 88 didn't seem to have to big a problem handling the cannon mounted on them.

Now imagine having to reload all those. 72 rounds a mag isn't very much for this purpose.

I think it's a useless idea though. What's the point of having 88 of them? 3 or 4 high ROF MGs would prove just as effective. No difference between hitting a person with 5 bullets or 47 either way they're dead. Besides they all seem to be firing into the same general area, once again, overkill. Also when an enemy ground attack plane flies so low overhead, it's rare that troops will stand in such high concentration for something like this to have a purpose.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 - 01:53 PM UTC
and a Bomb for emphasis
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Posted: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 02:51 PM UTC
The BAC Canberra / B-57also carried a a ventral gun pac but with four 20 mm cannons
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Posted: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 06:15 PM UTC
Hectic!

Was this ever used in combat? Or was it merely experimental?
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Posted: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 - 06:39 PM UTC
PROPAGANDA, folks. This was probably not meant as an operational weapon. If it was, it likely failed on its first use, like many Soviet "super weapons."
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