To atone for sins in a former life, I have decided to build that old monster - the Airfix Me110 as a North Africa-based 110C4. Does anyone have some good clear pics of a 110C cockpit - esp. the radio setup and gunners seat?
I'm also curious if there are any resin items available for the centreline bomd carrier (ETC250) that Me110's were fitted with? And I'm also after the "fighting rooster" emblem of 9 Staffel/ZG26 - any idea who did these? Were they included in the Matchbox kit as an option?
Can anyone try and talk me out of this? Please?
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Posted: Sunday, July 27, 2008 - 04:27 PM UTC
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Posted: Monday, July 28, 2008 - 07:34 AM UTC
Could I humbly and respectfully suggest you consult the following:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Messerschmitt-Bf110-B-C-D/dp/190322389X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217269881&sr=8-1
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Messerschmitt-Bf110-B-C-D/dp/190322389X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1217269881&sr=8-1
Posted: Monday, July 28, 2008 - 07:50 AM UTC
Shameless, John, very shameless
But I agree, get that book it is worth every penny!
Though: I was also looking for rear seat pix and I could not find one (also not in other books, but I have not my full library here). I was especially courious how and where the seatbelts were attached ... now it is too late and I went with the instructions of the eduards kit
cheers
Steffen
But I agree, get that book it is worth every penny!
Though: I was also looking for rear seat pix and I could not find one (also not in other books, but I have not my full library here). I was especially courious how and where the seatbelts were attached ... now it is too late and I went with the instructions of the eduards kit
cheers
Steffen
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Posted: Monday, July 28, 2008 - 10:15 AM UTC
Posted: Monday, July 28, 2008 - 10:25 AM UTC
Hello John
many thanks! ... so where are the seatbelts attached?
greets
Steffen
many thanks! ... so where are the seatbelts attached?
greets
Steffen
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Posted: Monday, July 28, 2008 - 10:41 AM UTC
Karl-Fritz Schröder, Bordfunker with Erprobungsgruppe 210; Schnellkampfgeschwader 210 and Zerstörergeschwader 1 told me that the support belt was fastened to either side of the cockpit interior with a large, strengthened centre section. In combat, their role was a nightmare, he said. If the pilot needed to have a 20 mm. ammo drum replaced, the Bordfunker had to do it, almost certainly while the pilot was throwing their Bf 110 around in the sky. So, while that was going on, they had to remove the old drum, remove a new drum from its secure fitting, and fit it onto the 20 mm. cannon. The same for their own rear firing MG. Thye would be defending the rear of the aircraft and themselves, run out of ammo, so then remove the old drum and try to fit the new one while the attacker was quite happily firing away at the rear of the 110 without any return fire coming at them.
Posted: Monday, July 28, 2008 - 10:52 AM UTC
Hello John
well, that sounds like it is for the later versions with the bench (I have a set for the Revell 1/48 kit which has that belt)
So you say the Bordfunker/Bordschütze was not secured in his seat?
... as I said for my Bf 110 C it is too late as I am about to finish it and it will be all closed up. Still for my E I would like to know.
anyway, thanks for sharing your knowledge!!
greets
Steffen
well, that sounds like it is for the later versions with the bench (I have a set for the Revell 1/48 kit which has that belt)
So you say the Bordfunker/Bordschütze was not secured in his seat?
... as I said for my Bf 110 C it is too late as I am about to finish it and it will be all closed up. Still for my E I would like to know.
anyway, thanks for sharing your knowledge!!
greets
Steffen
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Posted: Monday, July 28, 2008 - 11:08 AM UTC
Steffen,
Look at page 40 of the book. There are two seats. The metal one with sides for firing the MG, and a flat one for when the Bordfunker is at the radio sets. The Bordfunker had to move between the two. Hence the need for a harness that held him while at the radio sets.
Hope this clarifies things.
Regards,
John V.
Look at page 40 of the book. There are two seats. The metal one with sides for firing the MG, and a flat one for when the Bordfunker is at the radio sets. The Bordfunker had to move between the two. Hence the need for a harness that held him while at the radio sets.
Hope this clarifies things.
Regards,
John V.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 - 04:19 PM UTC
Thanks for that. I can't ask for a better source of info than the author of a book on the 110. I must keep an eye out for that one John.
Now can someone answer my other questions about the decals or the rtc250's, I'd be a really happy man.
I also notice no-one has tried to talk me out of it! Anyone been down the Airfix road with the 110 before?
Now can someone answer my other questions about the decals or the rtc250's, I'd be a really happy man.
I also notice no-one has tried to talk me out of it! Anyone been down the Airfix road with the 110 before?
Posted: Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 04:14 AM UTC
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Hi Shane
What scale is the Airfix kit?
cheers
Steffen
Hi Shane
What scale is the Airfix kit?
cheers
Steffen
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Posted: Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 02:51 PM UTC
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Hi Shane
What scale is the Airfix kit?
cheers
Steffen
Hi Steffen
It's 1/72 scale with the kit originally being produced by Airfix in 1959. Same year I was born actually!
Shane
Posted: Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 08:33 PM UTC
Hi Shane
there should be plenty of stuff.
2x 250kg bombs or a 500kg bomb should be fine. Some daredevils even flew with a 500kg and a 250kg bomb (e.g. Wolfgang Schenk). Also there should be some decals available. Maybe do a search at Hannants, Squadron or your favorite online shop for "Bf 110".
cheers
Steffen
there should be plenty of stuff.
2x 250kg bombs or a 500kg bomb should be fine. Some daredevils even flew with a 500kg and a 250kg bomb (e.g. Wolfgang Schenk). Also there should be some decals available. Maybe do a search at Hannants, Squadron or your favorite online shop for "Bf 110".
cheers
Steffen
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Posted: Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 08:39 PM UTC
Thanks for that Steffen - unfortunately the trend seems to be Me110 Nightfighters in 1/72 and none of the online Hobby suppliers seem to have anything of this nature. I can get the bombs, no poblem - but it's the carrier I would need. perhaps some OOP resin mfr?
Posted: Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 09:08 PM UTC
Hmm,
1/72 is absolutely not my scale. Check out Aires, Quickboost, CMK, Pavla and the like. Maybe try to find another kit. IIRC Revell has one to rob some parts from that (should be cheaper than any AM stuff)
Not much help, sorry as I said; not my scale
1/72 is absolutely not my scale. Check out Aires, Quickboost, CMK, Pavla and the like. Maybe try to find another kit. IIRC Revell has one to rob some parts from that (should be cheaper than any AM stuff)
Not much help, sorry as I said; not my scale
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Posted: Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 09:22 PM UTC
I appreciate your input anyway, Steffen. Thanks lots
Shane
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