A what-if-the-jet-had-failed-kinda-build
P51D with engine and prop from a Spit XIV.
Hosted by Rowan Baylis
P51 Griffon Mustang
DaveCox
England - South East, United Kingdom
Joined: January 11, 2003
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Joined: January 11, 2003
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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2009 - 09:05 AM UTC
padawan_82
United Kingdom
Joined: December 10, 2008
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Joined: December 10, 2008
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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2009 - 01:14 PM UTC
wow cool mustang Dave, its a shame they didn't fit a griffon to the mustang, i wonder if it would have improved it's performance or hindered it i guess we'll never know unless someone is crazy enough to do it on a real aircraft lol... either way a great model mate. Ant
DaveCox
England - South East, United Kingdom
Joined: January 11, 2003
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Joined: January 11, 2003
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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2009 - 06:28 PM UTC
Thanks for the comments Ant,
It has actually been done for real, but only on modern racing 'planes. There are a couple flying at the moment in the US.
This was just a bit of fun, getting my kitbashing skills back into shape.
It has actually been done for real, but only on modern racing 'planes. There are a couple flying at the moment in the US.
This was just a bit of fun, getting my kitbashing skills back into shape.
Antoni
England - East Midlands, United Kingdom
Joined: June 03, 2006
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Posted: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 06:57 AM UTC
Rolls-Royce, Hucknall, proposed to put a Griffon aft of the cockpit, the propeller driven by an extension shaft similar to the P-39. Called the Flying Test Bed (FTB), it reached the advanced mock-up stage before it was abandoned with the advent of the jet engine.
bizarro1
Michigan, United States
Joined: February 19, 2009
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Joined: February 19, 2009
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Posted: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 07:42 AM UTC
Greetings from a new member, fellas.
Yes, that's a beautiful model of a beautiful plane! The '51 has always been my favorite. I'd love to learn about what effect performance-wise. I'd never heard of the engine amidships/extension prop shaft a' la P-39/P-63 Airacobra/King Cobra. Fascinating!!!
Yes, that's a beautiful model of a beautiful plane! The '51 has always been my favorite. I'd love to learn about what effect performance-wise. I'd never heard of the engine amidships/extension prop shaft a' la P-39/P-63 Airacobra/King Cobra. Fascinating!!!
DaveCox
England - South East, United Kingdom
Joined: January 11, 2003
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Posted: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 07:53 AM UTC
I think that with the larger Griffon installed, performance would be limited by the effects of the compressability factor on the controls. Late war Spits and Mustangs often suffered aileron reversal in a dive anyway! The 'Stangs laminar flow wing helped, but only the swept wing delayed or negated the effects to a managable level.
bizarro1
Michigan, United States
Joined: February 19, 2009
KitMaker: 30 posts
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Joined: February 19, 2009
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Posted: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 08:05 AM UTC
Sounds reasonable. I once heard that the Spit's ailerons reversed at speeds of about 600 m.p.h. I assume a Griffon engined Mustang's top speed in level flight would've made it more competitive with the ME 109K and FW 190 D9, 12, and Ta 152, etc., all of which, I'm lead to understand, had a slight advantage in top end over a standard P-51D.
Mike
Mike