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Posted: Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 10:43 PM UTC

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Don't forget that the Lancaster fuselage was built in three, separate, sections, then mated at the final assembly stage. It makes sense that the front stage would be black right through (to the wingspar,) with the rear two painted green.
Edgar


Hi all,

The interior color problem of the Lancaster don't seem to be that easy to answer. I've read that early Lancasters (Mk.I's which is case of the one I'm building) have been produced with the fuselages of Manchesters and it seems these were interior green. Later Lancasters cockpits were painted all black it seems...

Interior and cockpit of Avro Lancaster

However, there are Lancasters with a mix of both...



I assume that some "all interior green" Lancasters received a coat of black paint later. This is also an interesting picture...



Clearly, some areas are in interior green and other in black. I chose to do my Lancaster that way. Because I think it could have been tike that and also because it looks better in my opinion. Call this artistic license...

I'm not a Lancaster expert though and I don't have many references about that type of aircraft. I can be all wrong of course...

Jean-Luc
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Posted: Monday, April 20, 2009 - 02:21 AM UTC
Hi Jean-Luc,

Looks like another high quality build, your references show an green interior so no artistic license needed! I have just got this kit myself and will be making a start soon so a couple of questions if I may.

How was the Big Ed set to use? I want to get one as soon as I can find one. Everyone seems to have sold out! I am especially interested in the flaps and interior. I am not sure if I will use the bomb bay but if I do, how well does it go together please?

Oh,, and more pictures please!!
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Posted: Friday, May 01, 2009 - 05:23 AM UTC
Steve, I had to order the Big ED set direct from eduard. And i think its worth it. I'm tring to find my Build forum now so you can see some of the stuff involved. Remind me never to take a week off again when doing a build log, It seems to have disappeared. Steve
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Posted: Friday, May 01, 2009 - 08:18 AM UTC
Hi Steve and Steve...

Sorry, I forgot to answer! But if you still want to have my opinion, here it is: now that I almost included all the PE parts into my lancaster, I can say that the BigEd set is a must have! It's an expensive set but I think that for old kits such as the Tamiya Lancaster they are a fantastic bonus. Usually I'm not a big fan of photoetched detail sets, especially if they must be added to an already expensive kit, but in this case it's different. If one day I build the old monogram B-17 or B-24, I will buy the BigEd sets for sure.

I made some progress on my Lancaster. I prepared the sub-assemblies for painting (a lot of putty was needed for the engine cowlings) and then airbrushed the monster. Be prepared to use a lot of paint! After a protective coat of Klir, I used Mal's Miracle Masks to do the roundels, fuselage codes (including serial!) and the fin flashes. The roundels on the decal sheet have a wrong size so this was corrected too. Thanks a lot Mal!







I noticed that the wing to fuselage fit was very good. In fact it is possible to paint the fuselage, the wings and the tailplane parts separately. In the last pictures, the sub-assemblies are only dry fitted.

I will add the smaller decals tomorrow and then I will weather the model. There are also many detail parts to glue at the end...

Jean-Luc
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Posted: Friday, May 01, 2009 - 08:33 AM UTC

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I used Mal's Miracle Masks to do the roundels, fuselage codes (including serial!) and the fin flashes. The roundels on the decal sheet have a wrong size so this was corrected too. Thanks a lot Mal!

You're welcome Jean-Luc.
There seems to be a lot of Lancs around at the moment and I have one to do too, I can't wait to be able to get started after seeing this
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Posted: Friday, May 01, 2009 - 06:30 PM UTC
Hi Mal,

Yes, there are almost as many Lancasters flying around as Spitfires or Messerschmitts...

Thanks again for the masks. They worked perfectly and the dimensional differences with the Tamiya roundels are quite noticable. I will post a comparison picture next time. So I'd say, with the BigEd set, I would order a set of Miracle Masks as well... now that Mal has them ready...

Jean-Luc
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Posted: Sunday, May 03, 2009 - 07:56 AM UTC
Thanks Jean-Luc and punters don't forget I can produce any codes and serials, with the correct references. It is also possible that I can have produced decal nose art but I'm not sure of the cost of that just yet.
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Posted: Monday, May 11, 2009 - 08:44 AM UTC
Hi all,

Here are some pictures of the finished Lancaster. I still have some minor things to do but the model is 99,99% complete...











So, it is possible to build a rescribed Tamiya Lancaster with Eduard's BigEd set and Mal's Miracle Masks in two months... but you almost have to live like a monk to do it...

Jean-Luc
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Posted: Monday, May 11, 2009 - 01:31 PM UTC
It looks outstanding! And rescribed too.

For me rescribing a model is something i'll probably never do...just too tedious and boring for me, and i don't do tedious and boring at home- if i want something tedious and boring then i can just stay at work and get paid overtime rates!

I guess that why i mostly stay away from the older kits.

Andrew
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Posted: Monday, May 11, 2009 - 02:55 PM UTC
Jean-Luc:
Another excellent build. The interiot looks great and that is some of the tightest preshading i have seen.

Taylor
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Posted: Monday, May 11, 2009 - 07:45 PM UTC
Hi Friar Jean-Luc

Fantastic work! I'm still amazed that even you've completed such an ambitious build in the short timescale allowed!

I was going to query the colour you've used for the RAF Dark Green because it looks rather bright, but it's much better in the earlier in-progress pics, so I'm sure it's just the photos. I love the way the pre-shading (and post-shading on the black?) represents the slightly dimpled look of a stressed airframe. But I'm not so sure about the very pale wash on the black areas. Is that Pro-Modleller? I've got a bottle on the shelf waiting for a suitable project - I might just leave it there....

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Monday, May 11, 2009 - 10:48 PM UTC
Absolutely love it. Itching to get mine started.Unfortunately still tied up (not literally!) with the five tone deaf sirens.
Steve.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 - 03:41 AM UTC
Good lord, Jean-Luc- that's amazing! The dusted panels are the best I've seen- period. Fantastic finish, crystalline canopies, delicate details, perfect antennae- it's a modeling marvel.

Cheers!
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Posted: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 - 07:02 AM UTC
Hi all,

Thanks for your kind words...

Andrew, yes, rescribing is boring, but I just can't stand raised panel lines. It's funny because the engraved panel lines are not even more realistic than the kit's initial finish... oh well, I prefer it that way...

Rowan, don't trust the pictures. I shot the photos last evening and they are not really good. The last two in particular. The lamp was only 20 cm away from the model and the colors are way too bright. I indeed used the ProModeler wash but toned it down a bit and made some adjustments with a fine brush because I wasn't 100% happy with the result. The "white" panel lines are much darker in reality.

The black was done in the following way:
- 100% Black pre-shading
- Overall dark grey coat ( approx. 90% Black - 10% white)
- Coat of Klir (Future)
- Promodeler wash
- Additional coat of heavy diluted black+brown to tone down the wash
- Dark Grey post shading (to represent the stressed skin effect - I used post-it paper to do it)
- Panel lines made with diluted light grey applied with a very fine brush
- Coat of Klir+Tamiya Flat Base (satin finish)

The brown/green camouflage was done the same way... only in color!

For Nigel, here is a picture of my 2 1/2 year son Vincent:



Jean-Luc
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Posted: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 - 07:20 AM UTC

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I indeed used the ProModeler wash but toned it down a bit and made some adjustments with a fine brush because I wasn't 100% happy with the result. The "white" panel lines are much darker in reality.

The black was done in the following way:
- 100% Black pre-shading
- Overall dark grey coat ( approx. 90% Black - 10% white)
- Coat of Klir (Future)
- Promodeler wash
- Additional coat of heavy diluted black+brown to tone down the wash
- Dark Grey post shading (to represent the stressed skin effect - I used post-it paper to do it)
- Panel lines made with diluted light grey applied with a very fine brush
- Coat of Klir+Tamiya Flat Base (satin finish)

Jean-Luc


Hi Jean-Luc.
The first Promodeller wash being the very "light grey" version?

Little Vincents 2 1/2?????????
Only seems like 6 months since we were signing the "Congratulations,,Its a Boy" card and posting it off to you!
Now I feel old,,lol.
Nige
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Posted: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 - 08:36 AM UTC

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Rowan, don't trust the pictures. I shot the photos last evening and they are not really good...
Jean-Luc


Hi Jean-Luc

That's such a relief! You know how much I admire your work, so I was tying myself in knots finding a way to say it doesn't look right.

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 - 05:55 PM UTC
Hi Roawn,


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That's such a relief! You know how much I admire your work, so I was tying myself in knots finding a way to say it doesn't look right.


No worries! I can accept some critique, nobody is perfect! You don't have to find a special way to tell me things like that... but I found it funny the way you did because I noticed you were embarrased!

I hope the pictures in the article will be better. T2M have a photo studio which is much better than mine!

Nigel, yes, the ProModeler wash is the light grey. But it needs to be toned down I think. Maybe a mix with their brown or dark wash? I didn't tried yet...

Jean-Luc
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Posted: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 08:30 AM UTC
Hi Rowan,

Here is a picture which shows a little better the grey panel lines on the black underside...



And one more for the road, the Tilly from Tamiya...



It's a "bonus" for the article. I still have to weather it though.

Jean-Luc
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Posted: Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 08:23 PM UTC
Hi Jean-Luc

That's definitely better, but I'm still not convinced by the idea of pale panel lines. I wonder whether a conventional dark wash after the dark grey post shading might be worth trying - I really like the way the latter gives a sense of the underlying structure.

Nice Tilly! I finally got one the other day. They sold out immediately in the UK (surprise, surprise! LOL!), and I was just about to order from abroad when I spotted that Model Hobbies have them at a discount price.

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Monday, May 18, 2009 - 07:10 PM UTC
Jean-luc, amazing finish. I wish mine would look half as good, i've yet to get back to work on it if the past few week. Work and family have taken it's toll my modeling time. Again beautiful Lanc.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 - 12:12 AM UTC
Hi Jean-Luc

somehow I missed this thread .. must be the thing Tamiya-san mentioned in the HLJ footage from Nuremberg

My friend, you've done it again ... arrrgh, why do you build such beautiful models in almost no time ... you make me feel more miserable then I already do ... anyway ...outstanding model!
Maybe you could translate your article into English and send it to TMMI (I know this one is for TMMF, but sadly I cannot read French)


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Little Vincents 2 1/2?????????
Only seems like 6 months since we were signing the "Congratulations,,Its a Boy" card and posting it off to you!
Now I feel old,,lol.


Well Nigel, thats exactly how I feel .... very old ... seems Vincent has a lot of fun ... J-L you better start interesting him in model kits as long as he is not interested in girls and video games ...

all the best

Steffen
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Posted: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 - 06:27 AM UTC
Hi Steffen,

Thanks for the kind words...


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Maybe you could translate your article into English and send it to TMMI (I know this one is for TMMF, but sadly I cannot read French)


I have a better idea. When we meet at Mark58's Headquarter, I'll bring the Lancaster with me...


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seems Vincent has a lot of fun ... J-L you better start interesting him in model kits as long as he is not interested in girls and video games ...


I'm afraid he is more interested in cars at the moment. He don't even look at my planes... About the girls, no problem, he can bring some home when he is older. The father will be pleased as well...

Jean-Luc
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Posted: Sunday, June 07, 2009 - 08:35 AM UTC
stunning work Jean-Luc,the lanc and the tilly.

really makes me want to buy the lancaster,i've wandered round the one at RAF Hendon a couple of times recently trying to convince myself to buy it! but i've got too many in the stash that need doing.......maybe next week!



paul
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