I'm currently working on some P-51s and I want to paint them with ModelMaster metalizers, the buffing aluminum color. I have had some bad luck doing this before, the finish looked just like old fashioned silver paint. I have been told that you need to let the paint dry for a long time before buffing or sealing. My question is how long? I have seen some folks say up to two weeks, is this correct? Any other tips would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
John
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Posted: Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 07:50 AM UTC
Posted: Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 08:40 AM UTC
Hi John
I've never had any problem buffing ModelMaster metalizers - I'd have thought a day should be plenty long enough.
One point to remember is that n/m Mustangs did actually have primed and silver-painted wings (at least in their factory-fresh finish) - so that "old fashioned silver paint" would be correct for those areas.
All the best
Rowan
I've never had any problem buffing ModelMaster metalizers - I'd have thought a day should be plenty long enough.
One point to remember is that n/m Mustangs did actually have primed and silver-painted wings (at least in their factory-fresh finish) - so that "old fashioned silver paint" would be correct for those areas.
All the best
Rowan
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Posted: Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 09:03 AM UTC
The problem i've had with them in the past, is you need good layer of paint with the testors buffing metalizers. There is a balance that has to be maintained to avoid the old silver look.
When buffing the final coat light pressure has to be maintaned of thin spots will show the plastic underneath and then you'll have to reapply paint to that area that thinned out and buff again. The last thing the guys in my recommend is to limit handling the kit after you finish buffing and not to use the sealer as it will deminish the sheen developed from the buffing.
So, you want shiney and natural there are 2 ways to go. For paint I use Alcad II, this stuff is awesome, you put down your primer and gloss coat per the instructions and spray away. Now i have been over zealous and actually rub thin spot in the finish, but i had to do alot to get the thin spot in the finish. This stuff is durable it won't rub off on your finger when handling the kit for decaling, and it still looks nice under a clear laquer coat.
Now for small details that peak through the paint job, nothing beats the real thing. Bare Metal Foil is the best, I use it for leading edges on early jets and Phantoms. It can be polished and even sanded. There have been kits completely covered in the stuff for the finish and it looks great and it metal. Several shade and colours are out there. The only draw back i've seen is the shiney side is all you get, the side with dulled grain is the side with the adhesive, I've heard the dulled stuff is available but have not seen it for sale in my humble local shop, you may be able to order it through their webpage.
Hope this helps ya out, there are other option out there, those were just 2 of them. I'm trying to get SWMBO to let buy a monogram B29 to try the most extensive way to do a nat finish, Alluminum foil and spray adhesive. I want to try and get the polished and unpolished effect. Happy Modeling.
When buffing the final coat light pressure has to be maintaned of thin spots will show the plastic underneath and then you'll have to reapply paint to that area that thinned out and buff again. The last thing the guys in my recommend is to limit handling the kit after you finish buffing and not to use the sealer as it will deminish the sheen developed from the buffing.
So, you want shiney and natural there are 2 ways to go. For paint I use Alcad II, this stuff is awesome, you put down your primer and gloss coat per the instructions and spray away. Now i have been over zealous and actually rub thin spot in the finish, but i had to do alot to get the thin spot in the finish. This stuff is durable it won't rub off on your finger when handling the kit for decaling, and it still looks nice under a clear laquer coat.
Now for small details that peak through the paint job, nothing beats the real thing. Bare Metal Foil is the best, I use it for leading edges on early jets and Phantoms. It can be polished and even sanded. There have been kits completely covered in the stuff for the finish and it looks great and it metal. Several shade and colours are out there. The only draw back i've seen is the shiney side is all you get, the side with dulled grain is the side with the adhesive, I've heard the dulled stuff is available but have not seen it for sale in my humble local shop, you may be able to order it through their webpage.
Hope this helps ya out, there are other option out there, those were just 2 of them. I'm trying to get SWMBO to let buy a monogram B29 to try the most extensive way to do a nat finish, Alluminum foil and spray adhesive. I want to try and get the polished and unpolished effect. Happy Modeling.
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Posted: Sunday, April 19, 2009 - 10:06 AM UTC
I used a couple different varieties of Metalizers on Tamiya's 1/48 (OOB) P-51B. I think one of the secrets to getting that nice, shiney and varied finish is to not use the sealer...
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Posted: Monday, April 20, 2009 - 12:27 PM UTC
Thanks everybody for the great advice!
John
John
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Posted: Thursday, April 23, 2009 - 02:10 PM UTC
I usually let the Testors Metalizer paints dry until I get my airbrush cleaned up. Then I go to lightly buffing it with a old cotton t-shirt. As I continue to buff I apply more pressure until I get the shine I want. I have only once over coated the Metalizer with a clear sealer and didn't like the result.
Here's a F-86F I did several years ago . The T-6 is finished with the old Pactra Chrome that came in a rattle can.
Texas
Here's a F-86F I did several years ago . The T-6 is finished with the old Pactra Chrome that came in a rattle can.
Texas
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Posted: Thursday, April 23, 2009 - 02:41 PM UTC
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I usually let the Testors Metalizer paints dry until I get my airbrush cleaned up. Then I go to lightly buffing it with a old cotton t-shirt. As I continue to buff I apply more pressure until I get the shine I want. I have only once over coated the Metalizer with a clear sealer and didn't like the result.
Here's a F-86F I did several years ago . The T-6 is finished with the old Pactra Chrome that came in a rattle can.
This is the finish that I have been getting, on some Mustangs and a B-17 or two, and thats why i want to try a longer drying period.
Texas
This is the finish that I have been getting, on some Mustangs and a B-17 or two, and thats why I want to try a longer drying period.
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Posted: Thursday, April 23, 2009 - 03:04 PM UTC
Will be interrested in seeing your results. Hope you post some photos and let us know what you did. I am always looking to learn something new.
Texas
Texas
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Posted: Thursday, April 23, 2009 - 03:45 PM UTC
BTW I forgot to mention that I liked your photos. Its just that there seems to be that little extra "umph" in a real metal finish thats missing from a model's. Thats what I'm looking for.
John
John
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Posted: Thursday, April 23, 2009 - 08:39 PM UTC
John, the only time i have ever gotten a real Nat finish, is with the real stuff. Alcad II comes close, I've seen good results with SnJ powders, but nothing beats Bare Metal Foil. I didn't notice but the last time I got some I actuall got the matte Aluminum, which is the dull side of the foil, the polished stuff is great for the bright areas. HobbyTown USA, and a lot of other shops carry it, just be careful the stuff can get expensive. I can do 3-4 kits with a bottle of alcad at $8 a bottle, the BMF I maight be able to do one 1/48th scale aircraft like the P-51 with 2 sheets for twice the cost. I have to search the net, but there is an article with detailed instructions for useing kitchen type foil. If i find it i'll post it here for ya.
Steve
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Posted: Friday, April 24, 2009 - 03:50 AM UTC
Go with alclad... as i did on mine. You don't have to buy all the different tones, you can make it darker with MM metalizers. If you are looking for a really shiny one, prime the model with gloss black laquer paint, polish it, and then apply a coat of Alclad chrome or Alclad polished aluminium...
Prime the model with Mr. Surfacer, polish it well with a cotton cloth, and you are ready to go.
I don't like my models too be too shiny, so i always weather them a bit more, with a semigloss coat for a finish. I guess even a glossy car doesn't look too shiny when looked from far away. I used Alclad white alu, duralu, and polished alu on this one.
Prime the model with Mr. Surfacer, polish it well with a cotton cloth, and you are ready to go.
I don't like my models too be too shiny, so i always weather them a bit more, with a semigloss coat for a finish. I guess even a glossy car doesn't look too shiny when looked from far away. I used Alclad white alu, duralu, and polished alu on this one.
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Posted: Friday, April 24, 2009 - 01:19 PM UTC
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John, the only time i have ever gotten a real Nat finish, is with the real stuff. Alcad II comes close, I've seen good results with SnJ powders, but nothing beats Bare Metal Foil. I didn't notice but the last time I got some I actuall got the matte Aluminum, which is the dull side of the foil, the polished stuff is great for the bright areas. HobbyTown USA, and a lot of other shops carry it, just be careful the stuff can get expensive. I can do 3-4 kits with a bottle of alcad at $8 a bottle, the BMF I maight be able to do one 1/48th scale aircraft like the P-51 with 2 sheets for twice the cost. I have to search the net, but there is an article with detailed instructions for useing kitchen type foil. If i find it i'll post it here for ya.
Steve
Thanks for the info. Unfortunately I know my limitations and I would never be able to successfully use Bare Metal Foil. Painting is one thing, that is a whole different skill set.
John
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Posted: Friday, April 24, 2009 - 01:24 PM UTC
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Go with alclad... as i did on mine. You don't have to buy all the different tones, you can make it darker with MM metalizers. If you are looking for a really shiny one, prime the model with gloss black laquer paint, polish it, and then apply a coat of Alclad chrome or Alclad polished aluminium...
Prime the model with Mr. Surfacer, polish it well with a cotton cloth, and you are ready to go.
I don't like my models too be too shiny, so i always weather them a bit more, with a semigloss coat for a finish. I guess even a glossy car doesn't look too shiny when looked from far away. I used Alclad white alu, duralu, and polished alu on this one.
Thanks for the advice. Looking at a real P-51 its amazing how many different shades there are on the same aircraft. Your model is a real beauty.
John
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Posted: Monday, May 25, 2009 - 04:06 PM UTC
Hey folks,
Just wanted to hit you with a "Lessons Learned" post. I tried letting the Buffing Aluminum dry for a week. There was no appreciable difference.
John
Just wanted to hit you with a "Lessons Learned" post. I tried letting the Buffing Aluminum dry for a week. There was no appreciable difference.
John
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Posted: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 06:04 AM UTC
I have had good results with MM metalizer aluminum plate. I seal it with polly S clear gloss and the natural metal look is uneffected.
Jim
Jim