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1:16 Model Airways Camel & Alb.
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Posted: Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 09:42 AM UTC
Hi guys
Hi guys,I fancy one of these kits,how good is it? can I get one in the UK ?,Modelexpo (in the US) looks fav at the moment.
Thanks
Andy
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Posted: Thursday, April 08, 2010 - 05:01 PM UTC
Check with member John Reid as these kits are his forte. He did a 1:16 Camel for one of his dioramas.
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Posted: Friday, April 09, 2010 - 09:45 AM UTC

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Check with member John Reid as these kits are his forte. He did a 1:16 Camel for one of his dioramas.

Thanks Steve,I've spent hours looking at Johns posts and his fantastic dio's and have changed my mind I've gone for the model airways albatros, ,
I managed to get one here in the UK for around the same price, I paid more for the kit,but is equaled out by the cheaper postage,also, without the risk of getting stung by VAT/Customs ,etc
I built the Hasegawa SE5a 1/8 about 25 years ago,and have a few plank on frame ship kits under my belt,and I do like working with wood so this should be fun
I've seen a few horror stories about these kits ,but each to their own,it is what you make it!!!
Cheers
Andy
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Posted: Friday, April 09, 2010 - 10:10 AM UTC
I got the Albatros not to long ago also. Gotta love the Albatri.
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Posted: Friday, April 09, 2010 - 10:47 AM UTC
Hi Andy

I'll look forward to following your build. Remember - we'll want a Feature at the end of it!

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Friday, April 09, 2010 - 12:26 PM UTC
Andy...can you send me details...1:16th Albi...UK supplier so it
has got to be worth a peek


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Posted: Friday, April 09, 2010 - 03:51 PM UTC
Remember this kit is based on the old and somewhat inaccurate Wylam drawings.
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Posted: Friday, April 09, 2010 - 11:50 PM UTC
Where are the inaccuracies?
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Posted: Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 08:35 AM UTC
In almost all internal definitions. Some parts are too small, narrow or structures were guessed at. Though as a kit is it very buildable check John Reid's thread to see some of these being discussed.
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Posted: Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 09:35 AM UTC

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Hi Andy

I'll look forward to following your build. Remember - we'll want a Feature at the end of it!

All the best

Rowan


you might get one ,now I know how to do zip files!!!!!
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Posted: Sunday, April 11, 2010 - 12:49 AM UTC

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In almost all internal definitions. Some parts are too small, narrow or structures were guessed at. Though as a kit is it very buildable check John Reid's thread to see some of these being discussed.


I haven't looked at that thread for quite a while. It is a good thread. It is just so very long. What is the best reference for the internal structure and placement of all the bits and pieces? (That really makes me sound like a competent engineer, doesn't it?) I am really anxious to build mine, but I want it to be totally accurate. I would love to get a scale spinner also. Sorry, Andy, I don't want to hijack your thread here. But this is a great opportunity to figure all this stuff out.
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Posted: Sunday, April 11, 2010 - 07:13 AM UTC

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I haven't looked at that thread for quite a while. It is a good thread. It is just so very long. What is the best reference for the internal structure and placement of all the bits and pieces? (That really makes me sound like a competent engineer, doesn't it?) I am really anxious to build mine, but I want it to be totally accurate. I would love to get a scale spinner also. Sorry, Andy, I don't want to hijack your thread here. But this is a great opportunity to figure all this stuff out.


Listed References:
Albatros D.V/Va, War Horse of the Luftstreitkrafte by S.T. Lawson, SAM Pub. Model Aircraft Monthly, Vol 1 #2 , Pp.54-59.2002
Albatros Scouts Described by Chas Schaedel, 1971 Kookaburra Tech. Pub.
Albatros Fighters Datafile Special by Ray Rimell, 1991 Albatros Pub. Ltd.
Albatros D.V by Peter Gray, 1965 Profile Pub.#9.
Albatros D.V & D.Va Described and Drawn by Ian Stair,1972 Scale Models.
Albatros D.Va German Fighter of WWI by Robert Mikesh, Smithsonian Inst. Press.
Scratchbuilding Techniques by Alan Clark, 1990 Scale Models Int. Pp174-5.
Scratchbuilt Albatros D.Va by Alan Clark,1990 Scale Models Int. Pp.491-495.
Spandau Machine Gun by David Watts,1998 WWI Aero.
'The Last Albatros' by Colin Owers 1988 Aviation News Pp.216-221.
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Posted: Sunday, April 11, 2010 - 09:07 AM UTC
Thanks. That is a lot of stuff to read. But I will try.

btw. It is a beautiful kit even if it has some problems.
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Posted: Monday, April 12, 2010 - 12:38 AM UTC

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Listed References:
Albatros Scouts Described by Chas Schaedel, 1971 Kookaburra Tech. Pub.


Found this one listed on ebay. Here is the description:

ALBATROS SCOUTS DESCRIBED by Charles Schaedel, Kookaburra Technical Publications, Dandenong, Victoria, Australia, copyright 1971. Series 2 No 1. Stapled card covers, 10 x 6.5 inches, 25 x 17 cms, 24 pages, sound copy with yellowing edges, has been stored in an outhouse.

Makes you want to run out and snap it up, doesn't it?

What is that advice Daddy used to give me, Don't Eat yellow snow, or read yellow books

I could come up with more if I didn't have to go visit my bowel specialist , right after a trip to the outhouse

I guess this would be a great reference since I am planning on building the bird flown by Ernst von Outhouse

I guess i should "GO" now
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Posted: Monday, April 12, 2010 - 02:40 AM UTC

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I guess this would be a great reference since I am planning on building the bird flown by Ernst von Outhouse

I guess i should "GO" now


Worst pun 2010.
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Posted: Monday, April 12, 2010 - 09:03 AM UTC
Sorry folks. You know it is like a sickness for me. I just can't help it.

I guess my wife was right though, I should sell my bathroom magazines on ebay also.

Andy, I am really sorry about destroying your thread.
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Posted: Monday, April 12, 2010 - 08:04 PM UTC
Best guilt trip 2010.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 - 09:48 AM UTC
Two awards in one week. My mama would be proud.
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Posted: Friday, April 16, 2010 - 06:00 AM UTC

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Andy, I am really sorry about destroying your thread.


Hey, Dick Turpin,you hijacker
No probs Carl ,lets keep this 1/16 stuff together.
How is yours ? mine had a load of stuff missing,mainly wee cast bits ,but mostly the under cart struts!!!,it took me 4 hours ,two highligher pens, 6 beers and my son to check the contents
I've ordered the WW1 german gun set from Toms to replace the cast kit parts
I want to do a 1/2 covered aircraft, something like this(if only!!!!!,this bloke is a GOD!!)
http://www.wwi-models.org/app/album/Acn.php?base=%2FImages%2FForan%2FCamel&hdr=Sopwith+Camel+F1&picInx=2
When are you going to start yours? want to do a buddy build?
Andy
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Posted: Friday, April 16, 2010 - 09:18 PM UTC
Carl I have that book already....£5 from my local aviation bookstore. Its an interesting but dated little pamphlet book with some interesting text and a few nice pics too (4 sweet sharp if small b/w of the Canberra DVA cockpit)

Tell me how much it sells for as the shop has 1 more copy at least

Sorry to add to Carls abduction of this thread Andy but I couldnt resist
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Posted: Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 07:09 AM UTC

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No probs Carl ,lets keep this 1/16 stuff together.
How is yours ? mine had a load of stuff missing,mainly wee cast bits ,but mostly the under cart struts!!!,it took me 4 hours ,two highligher pens, 6 beers and my son to check the contents
I've ordered the WW1 german gun set from Toms to replace the cast kit parts
I want to do a 1/2 covered aircraft, something like this(if only!!!!!,this bloke is a GOD!!)
http://www.wwi-models.org/app/album/Acn.php?base=%2FImages%2FForan%2FCamel&hdr=Sopwith+Camel+F1&picInx=2
When are you going to start yours? want to do a buddy build?
Andy


I have not checked the parts list yet. I think there might not be enough alcohol in the house to accomplish a parts count.

I am disapointed in the quality of the casting. But I expected that. I was most interested in the quality and cutting of the wood parts. I am not disapointed there. I would love to do a complete, fully covered, model. I can see it will be a long project, because I am going to outsource or scratch build a lot of the cast parts. The machine guns have to go. The engine is OK. I think I can make that work. The struts are going to go. I heard the undercarriage really cant support the weight of the aircraft, and will need to go also. If we do a buddy build, I will probably slow you down.


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Carl I have that book already....£5 from my local aviation bookstore. Its an interesting but dated little pamphlet book with some interesting text and a few nice pics too (4 sweet sharp if small b/w of the Canberra DVA cockpit)

Tell me how much it sells for as the shop has 1 more copy at least


I already lost track of the posting. The yellow pages turned me off of it. £5, How much would that be in real money? Actually, it sounds like a good price.
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Posted: Saturday, April 24, 2010 - 08:31 PM UTC
Hey Carl,
I'm going to bin the struts too,I've got the Toms MG set and I'm going to replace ALL the nuts and bolts inc the cast on ones with these
http://www.scalehardware.com/threaded-hex-bolts-c-1
Still no reply from Modelexpo about my missing parts due to the missing parts guy being on holiday for the last 3 weeks and hes working his way thro the backlog!!!!
I might try to build a 1/32 prop in wood by halfing the dimensions of the kit parts,what do you think?,would it work???!!!
Andy
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Posted: Saturday, April 24, 2010 - 10:08 PM UTC

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Check with member John Reid as these kits are his forte. He did a 1:16 Camel for one of his dioramas.


Here it is.

"Airshow Camel with fake guns, used for simulated dogfights or for running down main street to drum up business for the airshow."
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Posted: Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 12:23 AM UTC

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I might try to build a 1/32 prop in wood by halfing the dimensions of the kit parts,what do you think?,would it work???!!!
Andy


I have done it in 32nd and 48th scales. So, Yes, it will work. I just trace the 1/32nd prop onto the prepared wood and cut it with a very fine band saw to the general shape and sand away. That is also the site I am going to use to get my nuts and bolts. Check out this site also.
http://www.smallparts.com/index/?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=top_nav&utm_campaign=site_index_header

What are you going to do for struts?
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Posted: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 - 10:40 PM UTC
Still no reply from modelexpo about the large list of missing parts,totally crap service,I've sent several emails and they have not had the decency to even acknowledge them.
I was going to get the camel,but with this level of service I wont bother.
I spent £195 on this kit,I think I deserve more
Andy

Carl,hope yours is ok,struts will be replaced with wooden ones
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