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WNW D.Va colour query - J.13
Kornbeef
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Posted: Thursday, April 22, 2010 - 07:18 AM UTC
Hi oh enlightened ones

A little query for you, I hope someone can cast light on. WNW D.Va
I'm building option E Werner Neithammer, Jasta 13 colour on the lower wingstubs and axle fairing. I feel fairly safe in assuming the axle fairing will be green but the wingstubs blue, green or half and half? as the colour division of the fuselage is about wingspar point.

Any other eccentricities to this plane, I havnt found any other shots of her in any of my references.

Keith Thanks in advance
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Posted: Thursday, April 22, 2010 - 05:37 PM UTC
I think I may have something on this. I'll check.
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Posted: Thursday, April 22, 2010 - 09:39 PM UTC
Thanks Stephen,
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Posted: Saturday, April 24, 2010 - 10:01 AM UTC
Oh and another thing...the hammer on the opposite side...in the same orientation as the shown one?
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Posted: Saturday, April 24, 2010 - 04:12 PM UTC
Yes the hammer is at the front both sides. I'll have an answer on the wing roots later tonight.
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Posted: Saturday, April 24, 2010 - 08:34 PM UTC
Thank you Stephen, I wont fix them to the fuselage just yet then.

Keith
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Posted: Saturday, April 24, 2010 - 10:00 PM UTC
Ok, I wanted to give you the best info I could on the subject. In German niethammer = rivet hammer First the only image we have of Niethammer's Albatros D.V / D/Va is one in which it is wrecked and Greg VanWyngarden says it could be either a D.V or D.Va there is no proof one way or the other except it is ". . .likely a D.Va. . ." No wings says the wing covering could originally be two toned green & lilac upper and lt. blue undersurfaces or 5 colour lozenge. See further comments in bold below.

Here is what we have on record.

Ltn.d.R. Werner Niethammer 6 victories, arrived at Jasta 13 (first mentioned in June 1918) and served til EOW. Hence the belief it is a type D.Va.

1 09 Jun 1918 Jasta 13 Bréguet 14 Ribécourt
2 01 Jul 1918 p.m. Jasta 13 Sopwith Camel (B6369) S of Albert
3 14 Sep 1918 Jasta 13 Bréguet 14 Puxe
4 28 Sep 1918 Jasta 13 Salmson 2A2 Pagny
5 09 Oct 1918 Jasta 13 D.H.4 or Salmson 2A2
6 22 Oct 1918 Jasta 13 Two-seater

Jasta 13 in the "ready" aircraft on16 June 1918 they still have at least one Fok. Dr.I. (That is lost on this date.)

Jasta 13 received its first consignment of Fokker D.VII types in about the 2nd week of June 1918. An example was early Schwerin built D.373/18 lost on 29 June, 1918.

Niethammer's Alb. D.V(a) machine was undoubtedly a hand -me - down. It carries the June 1918 ordered cross on the vertical tail unit. The white paint for the hammer and the vertical tail unit is quite fresh. The wing components could have easily been replacements from several other aircraft by this time. WNW has attempted to give you a speculative two tone upper surface camouflage. The lower (pilot's left side) wing tip has been overpainted and is not factory applied. The fuselage attached wing roots and under carriage axle wing could go either way in colouring.

Greg VanWyngarden speculates that this machine was probably wrecked before Niethammer's first victory on June 9, 1918.

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