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Luedemann Kits
Greenonions
United Kingdom
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Posted: Thursday, November 11, 2010 - 07:18 AM UTC
Has anybody here built any of these resin kits,what little that i know of them seems quite positive!and the range seems quite extensive.I read an internet modeller review on the taube 1/72 kits and the reviewer run out of praise for them,any thoughts???
JackFlash
Colorado, United States
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Posted: Thursday, November 11, 2010 - 07:52 AM UTC
One of our regular lurkers here is Matt Bittner (he writes for another internet website, shhhh) and his specialty is 1:72 WWI kits. I'll check with him.
Greenonions
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Posted: Thursday, November 11, 2010 - 08:40 AM UTC
Many thanks Jackflash,i have been searching for weeks and i've tracked things down to a shop in Essen and a Herrn D. Schorch(?) Also this link
http://www.classic-plane-mrr.de/index_e.html
Update
Go to catalouge and click luedemann to see the range!
http://www.classic-plane-mrr.de/index_e.html
Update
Go to catalouge and click luedemann to see the range!
JackFlash
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Posted: Thursday, November 11, 2010 - 08:55 AM UTC
Classic plane did some 1:72 WWI vacuforms back years ago. They were fine pieces. Hopefully there is more than a link there. Herr or Herrn is the masculine form for mister.
Greenonions
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Posted: Thursday, November 11, 2010 - 09:12 AM UTC
This is the list of Luedemann resin kits that as far as i know are available
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Best.Nr. Artikel EURO
LR 01 Etrich-Rumpler Taube IV 15,95
LR 02 Etrich-Rumpler Taube 1911 * 15,95
LR 03 Etrich „Renn“-Taube Liebau 1912 (zivil & milit.) * 19,95
LR 04 Etrich „Renn“-Taube Liebau 1912 , ohne/(-)Decals 15,95
LR 05 Etrich-Lohner Manövertaube "F" 15,95
LR 06 Etrich Taube A.2 15,95
LR 07 Jeannin Stahltaube 15,95
LR 08 Rumpler 4C Taube 15,95
LR 09 Gotha Taube 15,95
LR10 Halberstadt Taube III 15,95
LR11 Rumpler Delfin-Taube ( geschlossene Kabine ! ) 17,95
LR12 Friedrichshafen G.III 32,95
LR13 Friedrichshafen G.IIIa (Kastenleitwerk) 32,95
LR14 Friedrichshafen G.III, DLR-Kabinen-Airliner * 37,95
LR15 AEG G.IV (2mot. Bomber) 30,95
LR16 AEG C.IV 15,95
LR17 AEG J.I Schlachtflugzeug 15,95
LR18 AEG N.I Nachtbomber 16,95
LR19 Rumpler C.I 15,95
LR20 Albatros C.I 15,95
LR21 Albatros C.V 15,95
LR22 Albatros C.VII 15,95
LR23 Albatros C.X 15,95
LR24 Albatros C.X-xs Ambulance (poln.Sanitätsvariante) 15,95
LR25 Albatros C.XV 15,95
LR26 Albatros B.II / B.IIa 15,95
LR27 Halberstadt CL.II 15,95
LR28 Halberstadt CL.IV 15,95
LR29 Halberstadt CL.IV , Paul Straehle-Airliner D-71 * 19,95
LR30 Halberstadt CL.IV , D-IBAO 30er Jahre * 17,95
LR31 LVG C.VI 15,95
LR32 DFW C.V 15,95
LR33 DFW B.I * 17,95
LR34 Otto-Doppeldecker 1913 16,95
LR35 AGO C.II 15,95
LR36 Aviatik C.I 15,95
LR37 Aviatik C.III 15,95
LR38 Hansa Brandenburg NW 17,95
LR39 Friedrichshafen FF.33e „Wölfchen“ * 19,95
LR40 Friedrichshafen FF.33h 17,95
LR41 Friedrichshafen FF.33 L Seejäger 17,95
LR42 Sablatning SF.2 17,95
LR43 Sablatning SF.5 17,95
LR44 Lübeck-Travemünde F.4 17,95
LR45 Junkers F-13, Luftpost Danzig / korrekter Flügel * 19,95
LR46 Junkers F-13 , spätes Leitwerk / late * 19,95
LR47 Potez XV 15,95
LR48 RWD.4 ( poln. Sportflugzeug, 20er Jahre) 15,95
LR49 Morane Saulnier"L" 14,95
LR50 Nieuport 24 C.I bis 13,95
LR51 Farman MF.11 Shorthorn 16,95
LR52 Farman HF.20 15,95
LR53 Farman F.7 Longhorn 16,95
LR54 Lebed XII (2Motor-1Skivariante) 15,95
LR55 Grigorovich M.5 16,95
LR56 Macchi M.9 Flugboot 16,95
LR57 Lohner „L“ Flugboot * 17,95
LR58 Oe. Aviatik B.I 15,95
LR59 Aviatik B.II, Serie 32-34 15,95
LR6ß Albatros (Phoenix) B.I, serie 22 Knollerflügel 15,95
LR61 Albatros (Phoenix) B.I, serie 21 15,95
LR62 Lloyd C.IV 15,95
LR63 Lloyd C.V 15,95
LR64 Lloyd 40.05 Flugzeugjäger 15,95
LR65 Phoenix “A” Jagdflugboot 15,95
LR66 Oeffag “H” Jagdflugboot (Banfield) * 17,95
LR67 Oeffag C.I 15,95
LR68 Oeffag C.I Prototyp 50.40 15,95
LR69 Oeffag C.II, early 15,95
LR70 Oeffag C.II, late 15,95
LR71 Hansa Brandenburg B.I, serie 06... 15,95
LR72 Hansa Brandenburg C.I Pönix 15,95
LR73 Hansa Brandenburg C.I UFAG ( mit Turm/Turret) 15,95
LR74 Lohner AA 10.20, kurzer Rumpf (ähnlich“Floh“) 15,95
LR74 b Lohner AA 10.20, verlängerter Rumpf 15,95
LR75 Lohner B.I “Pfeilflieger“ 15,95
LR76 Lohner B.II 15,95
LR77 Lohner B.IV 15,95
LR78 Lohner B.VII 15,95
LR79 Knoller C.II 15,95
LR80 Caproni Ca.3 (3mot. Bomber) 32,95
LR81 F.B.A. Lefeque Flugboot 15,95
LR82 Sikorsky S.38 , PAN AM 28,95
LR83 Sikorsky S.38 , US.Navy 28,95
LR84 Göppingen Gö 9 ( incl. Decals) 9,95
LR85 Airspeed AS-6 Envoy LUFTWAFFE 19,95
LR86 Messerschmitt Me.261,V2 (2mot. Fernaufklärer) * 38,95
LR87 Messerschmitt Me.261,V1 (2mot. Fernaufklärer) * 38,95
LR88 Mickl G.II Großflugboot 30,95
LR89 Dornier D.I 15,95
LR90 Macchi M.3 16,95
LR91 Albatros C.III 15,95
LR92 Hansa Brandenburg W.18 15,95
LR93 Macchi L.1 / Lohner L.40 17,95
LR94 Lohner L 135 T UFAG 17,95
LR95 Lohner MKn , M31 17,95
LR96 Lohner L 40 16,95
LR97 Lohner L 16 16,95
LR98 Lohner E, E18n (1. Bombardierung WK.I) 16,95
LR99 Curtiss Paulhan F-Boat (& long Wing F-Boat 1916) 16,95
LR100 Halberstadt C.V 15,95
LR101 Aviatik Dr.I (30.24) 15,95
LR102 Ansaldo SVA.5 15,95
LR103 Ansaldo SVA.10 15,95
LR104 F.B.A. H 17,95
LR105 L.V.G. B.I 15,95
LR106 Farman MF.11 Floatplane 17,95
LR107 Farman HF.23 Floatplane 17,95
LR108 Farman MF.7 Floatplane (Monaco, 1912) 17,95
LR109 Hansa Brandenburg-Phönix Dr.I Flugboot 16,95
LR110 Rumpler C.VIII (incl. Skier Finnish Airforce) 16,95
LR111 Curtiss F-Boat (early) 15,95
LR112 Anatra D „Anade“ 15,95
LR113 Anatra DS „Anasal“ 15,95
LR114 Savoia Pomillio MF.11 16,95
LR115 Farman F.30 /F.30bis (FarTri) 16,95
LR116 Hansa Brandenburg CC Flugboot 15,95
LR117 Kellet KD-1B Autogiro Eastern Airlines Decals * 16,95
LR118 Heinkel He.112 V1 * 18,95
LR119 Heinkel He 112 V3 (offenes & geschlossenes Cockpit) * 18,95
LR120 Heinkel He 112 V5 (Spanien) * 18,95
LR121 Siebel 201 „Fliegende Gartenlaube“ * 19,95
LR122 Mitsubishi-Airspeed Envoy ( Japanese Airline Decal) 19,95
LR123 Junkers Ju 90 Lufthansa“Bayern“ * April 05 59,95
LR124 Horten VC * April 05 19,95
LR125 Blohm & Voss Ha 141 * April 05 19,95
LR126 Blohm & Voss BV.144 (2mot. Transporter) April 05 38,95
LR127 Dornier Merkur (Lufthansa) * April 05 35,95
LR128 Focke Wulf A-16a Siemens-Halske Sternmotor (Lufthansa) * Mai 05
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Best.Nr. Artikel EURO
LR 01 Etrich-Rumpler Taube IV 15,95
LR 02 Etrich-Rumpler Taube 1911 * 15,95
LR 03 Etrich „Renn“-Taube Liebau 1912 (zivil & milit.) * 19,95
LR 04 Etrich „Renn“-Taube Liebau 1912 , ohne/(-)Decals 15,95
LR 05 Etrich-Lohner Manövertaube "F" 15,95
LR 06 Etrich Taube A.2 15,95
LR 07 Jeannin Stahltaube 15,95
LR 08 Rumpler 4C Taube 15,95
LR 09 Gotha Taube 15,95
LR10 Halberstadt Taube III 15,95
LR11 Rumpler Delfin-Taube ( geschlossene Kabine ! ) 17,95
LR12 Friedrichshafen G.III 32,95
LR13 Friedrichshafen G.IIIa (Kastenleitwerk) 32,95
LR14 Friedrichshafen G.III, DLR-Kabinen-Airliner * 37,95
LR15 AEG G.IV (2mot. Bomber) 30,95
LR16 AEG C.IV 15,95
LR17 AEG J.I Schlachtflugzeug 15,95
LR18 AEG N.I Nachtbomber 16,95
LR19 Rumpler C.I 15,95
LR20 Albatros C.I 15,95
LR21 Albatros C.V 15,95
LR22 Albatros C.VII 15,95
LR23 Albatros C.X 15,95
LR24 Albatros C.X-xs Ambulance (poln.Sanitätsvariante) 15,95
LR25 Albatros C.XV 15,95
LR26 Albatros B.II / B.IIa 15,95
LR27 Halberstadt CL.II 15,95
LR28 Halberstadt CL.IV 15,95
LR29 Halberstadt CL.IV , Paul Straehle-Airliner D-71 * 19,95
LR30 Halberstadt CL.IV , D-IBAO 30er Jahre * 17,95
LR31 LVG C.VI 15,95
LR32 DFW C.V 15,95
LR33 DFW B.I * 17,95
LR34 Otto-Doppeldecker 1913 16,95
LR35 AGO C.II 15,95
LR36 Aviatik C.I 15,95
LR37 Aviatik C.III 15,95
LR38 Hansa Brandenburg NW 17,95
LR39 Friedrichshafen FF.33e „Wölfchen“ * 19,95
LR40 Friedrichshafen FF.33h 17,95
LR41 Friedrichshafen FF.33 L Seejäger 17,95
LR42 Sablatning SF.2 17,95
LR43 Sablatning SF.5 17,95
LR44 Lübeck-Travemünde F.4 17,95
LR45 Junkers F-13, Luftpost Danzig / korrekter Flügel * 19,95
LR46 Junkers F-13 , spätes Leitwerk / late * 19,95
LR47 Potez XV 15,95
LR48 RWD.4 ( poln. Sportflugzeug, 20er Jahre) 15,95
LR49 Morane Saulnier"L" 14,95
LR50 Nieuport 24 C.I bis 13,95
LR51 Farman MF.11 Shorthorn 16,95
LR52 Farman HF.20 15,95
LR53 Farman F.7 Longhorn 16,95
LR54 Lebed XII (2Motor-1Skivariante) 15,95
LR55 Grigorovich M.5 16,95
LR56 Macchi M.9 Flugboot 16,95
LR57 Lohner „L“ Flugboot * 17,95
LR58 Oe. Aviatik B.I 15,95
LR59 Aviatik B.II, Serie 32-34 15,95
LR6ß Albatros (Phoenix) B.I, serie 22 Knollerflügel 15,95
LR61 Albatros (Phoenix) B.I, serie 21 15,95
LR62 Lloyd C.IV 15,95
LR63 Lloyd C.V 15,95
LR64 Lloyd 40.05 Flugzeugjäger 15,95
LR65 Phoenix “A” Jagdflugboot 15,95
LR66 Oeffag “H” Jagdflugboot (Banfield) * 17,95
LR67 Oeffag C.I 15,95
LR68 Oeffag C.I Prototyp 50.40 15,95
LR69 Oeffag C.II, early 15,95
LR70 Oeffag C.II, late 15,95
LR71 Hansa Brandenburg B.I, serie 06... 15,95
LR72 Hansa Brandenburg C.I Pönix 15,95
LR73 Hansa Brandenburg C.I UFAG ( mit Turm/Turret) 15,95
LR74 Lohner AA 10.20, kurzer Rumpf (ähnlich“Floh“) 15,95
LR74 b Lohner AA 10.20, verlängerter Rumpf 15,95
LR75 Lohner B.I “Pfeilflieger“ 15,95
LR76 Lohner B.II 15,95
LR77 Lohner B.IV 15,95
LR78 Lohner B.VII 15,95
LR79 Knoller C.II 15,95
LR80 Caproni Ca.3 (3mot. Bomber) 32,95
LR81 F.B.A. Lefeque Flugboot 15,95
LR82 Sikorsky S.38 , PAN AM 28,95
LR83 Sikorsky S.38 , US.Navy 28,95
LR84 Göppingen Gö 9 ( incl. Decals) 9,95
LR85 Airspeed AS-6 Envoy LUFTWAFFE 19,95
LR86 Messerschmitt Me.261,V2 (2mot. Fernaufklärer) * 38,95
LR87 Messerschmitt Me.261,V1 (2mot. Fernaufklärer) * 38,95
LR88 Mickl G.II Großflugboot 30,95
LR89 Dornier D.I 15,95
LR90 Macchi M.3 16,95
LR91 Albatros C.III 15,95
LR92 Hansa Brandenburg W.18 15,95
LR93 Macchi L.1 / Lohner L.40 17,95
LR94 Lohner L 135 T UFAG 17,95
LR95 Lohner MKn , M31 17,95
LR96 Lohner L 40 16,95
LR97 Lohner L 16 16,95
LR98 Lohner E, E18n (1. Bombardierung WK.I) 16,95
LR99 Curtiss Paulhan F-Boat (& long Wing F-Boat 1916) 16,95
LR100 Halberstadt C.V 15,95
LR101 Aviatik Dr.I (30.24) 15,95
LR102 Ansaldo SVA.5 15,95
LR103 Ansaldo SVA.10 15,95
LR104 F.B.A. H 17,95
LR105 L.V.G. B.I 15,95
LR106 Farman MF.11 Floatplane 17,95
LR107 Farman HF.23 Floatplane 17,95
LR108 Farman MF.7 Floatplane (Monaco, 1912) 17,95
LR109 Hansa Brandenburg-Phönix Dr.I Flugboot 16,95
LR110 Rumpler C.VIII (incl. Skier Finnish Airforce) 16,95
LR111 Curtiss F-Boat (early) 15,95
LR112 Anatra D „Anade“ 15,95
LR113 Anatra DS „Anasal“ 15,95
LR114 Savoia Pomillio MF.11 16,95
LR115 Farman F.30 /F.30bis (FarTri) 16,95
LR116 Hansa Brandenburg CC Flugboot 15,95
LR117 Kellet KD-1B Autogiro Eastern Airlines Decals * 16,95
LR118 Heinkel He.112 V1 * 18,95
LR119 Heinkel He 112 V3 (offenes & geschlossenes Cockpit) * 18,95
LR120 Heinkel He 112 V5 (Spanien) * 18,95
LR121 Siebel 201 „Fliegende Gartenlaube“ * 19,95
LR122 Mitsubishi-Airspeed Envoy ( Japanese Airline Decal) 19,95
LR123 Junkers Ju 90 Lufthansa“Bayern“ * April 05 59,95
LR124 Horten VC * April 05 19,95
LR125 Blohm & Voss Ha 141 * April 05 19,95
LR126 Blohm & Voss BV.144 (2mot. Transporter) April 05 38,95
LR127 Dornier Merkur (Lufthansa) * April 05 35,95
LR128 Focke Wulf A-16a Siemens-Halske Sternmotor (Lufthansa) * Mai 05
mbittner
Nebraska, United States
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Posted: Friday, November 12, 2010 - 01:41 AM UTC
There are some hit-and-miss kits with Luedemann. If I remember correctly, they're made "to order" so you might have to wait. I've heard great things about some, but the one kit I have is sorely lacking.
The only Luedemann I have is their Nie.24 (bis, maybe?). Lots of problems with it, not only in accuracy, but also resin "problems": big air bubbles, parts poorly cast, etc.
However, it could be I just received the "runt of the litter". Difficult to say since that one experience left me "wanting". I can see on the list, though, there are kits there no one else does, so it might just be worth it.
The only Luedemann I have is their Nie.24 (bis, maybe?). Lots of problems with it, not only in accuracy, but also resin "problems": big air bubbles, parts poorly cast, etc.
However, it could be I just received the "runt of the litter". Difficult to say since that one experience left me "wanting". I can see on the list, though, there are kits there no one else does, so it might just be worth it.
Kitboy
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Posted: Friday, November 12, 2010 - 03:36 AM UTC
Hello,
A friend of mine once bought a 72nd scale AEG bomber from 'm. At home he found out one lower wing was missing. It was not easy getting this from the manufacturer, took about a year. Also this kit had all the problems mentioned by Matt . It's not a brand I would recomend.
Cheers, Nico
A friend of mine once bought a 72nd scale AEG bomber from 'm. At home he found out one lower wing was missing. It was not easy getting this from the manufacturer, took about a year. Also this kit had all the problems mentioned by Matt . It's not a brand I would recomend.
Cheers, Nico
Greenonions
United Kingdom
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Posted: Friday, November 12, 2010 - 05:04 AM UTC
Thanks for the replys,much to ponder on.
Greenonions
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Posted: Friday, November 12, 2010 - 05:47 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Thanks for the replys,much to ponder on.
After pondering i have come to the conclusion that due to the fact Luedemann kits are not distributed,and that they make to order,Ludemann could be the source of kits for some of the other east european kit companies.Also the price of Luedemann kit's are a third cheaper buying direct from Modelbau studio.
Jamo_kiwi
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Posted: Friday, November 12, 2010 - 06:59 AM UTC
I have two of the Luedemann Taube kits: the Jeannin Stahltaube and the Gotha Taube. I built the Jeannin Stahltaube about 6 years ago, one of my earlier efforts. Lots of flash to clean off, a few holes in the resin to fix but not too difficult. Dimensionally it doesn't compare too well with the drawings in the Datafile 'Taubes at War' but this was published after the kit had been released. The wings are beautifully thin and the moulding generally is nicely detailed. No decals in these kits, but Mike Grant very kindly custom made some for me.
The colouring was matched to colour photos of the restoration of A.180/14 from the book by Marian Krzyzan and Holger Steinle.
I had a lot of difficulty buying the kits from Modellbau Studios. It took many emails and faxes over a year and it wasn't until another modeller from Germany visited the shop on my behalf that anything happened. Service may be much better now - I know Herr Schorch had some difficulty with his computers.
The colouring was matched to colour photos of the restoration of A.180/14 from the book by Marian Krzyzan and Holger Steinle.
I had a lot of difficulty buying the kits from Modellbau Studios. It took many emails and faxes over a year and it wasn't until another modeller from Germany visited the shop on my behalf that anything happened. Service may be much better now - I know Herr Schorch had some difficulty with his computers.
JackFlash
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Posted: Friday, November 12, 2010 - 07:47 AM UTC
Nice build!
Greenonions
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Posted: Friday, November 12, 2010 - 10:31 AM UTC
Thankyou Jamo for your post! The build is top notch,and thank you for showing what can be done with Luedemann products,it renforces the point that im trying to make,that there are some gems amongst this companys output that are worth considering.