Early Aviation
Discuss World War I and the early years of aviation thru 1934.
Discuss World War I and the early years of aviation thru 1934.
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Fokker E III WW 1:32
RYSZARD
Krakow, Poland
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Posted: Thursday, April 17, 2014 - 09:40 PM UTC
Fokker EIII 635/15 w oznaczeniach Kampfeinsitzerkommando (KeK) Vaux, Somme 1916
Model prosto z pudla bez ingerencji dodatków
JackFlash
Colorado, United States
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Posted: Thursday, April 17, 2014 - 11:35 PM UTC
Impressive!
lcarroll
Alberta, Canada
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Posted: Friday, April 18, 2014 - 02:03 AM UTC
Very nicely done, and great photos!
Cheers,
Lance
Cheers,
Lance
Posted: Monday, April 21, 2014 - 09:35 AM UTC
Hi there
Very nice indeed!
The photos do illustrate the kit's slight tendency to wing-droop despite WNW's really clever engineering. I've ummed and arred over it in reviews, and short of functional rigging, I'm guessing an "over-compensating" wedge on the spars is an answer, knowing the wings will sag later - the sort of fudge "fix" that makes me wince...
All the best
Rowan
Very nice indeed!
The photos do illustrate the kit's slight tendency to wing-droop despite WNW's really clever engineering. I've ummed and arred over it in reviews, and short of functional rigging, I'm guessing an "over-compensating" wedge on the spars is an answer, knowing the wings will sag later - the sort of fudge "fix" that makes me wince...
All the best
Rowan
CaptnTommy
Connecticut, United States
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Posted: Thursday, April 24, 2014 - 03:02 AM UTC
It seems the slight tendancy for wing sag an the model is also visible on photos of the E-I, II, III in the WNW reference photos. As with most rigging it is a dance between too tight and too loose. This would also be a result of the time of day and whether you are in direct sunlight or shade. I,ll bet that the Fokker's preflight had a tension test for those control cables.
Notice on the photos that the lower flying cables seem to be tight even on the sagging wing aircraft... hmmmm.
Irregardless, its a wonderful model, and I like the 'old' pictures
Captn Tommy
Notice on the photos that the lower flying cables seem to be tight even on the sagging wing aircraft... hmmmm.
Irregardless, its a wonderful model, and I like the 'old' pictures
Captn Tommy
Posted: Thursday, April 24, 2014 - 09:11 AM UTC
Hi Tom
Ironically, I came to the opposite conclusion after laying a ruler over the photos in Windsock's Eindecker Specials. As you can imagine, I was loath to pick a hole in WNW's kits when I reviewed them without checking as best I could. But test-fitting the kit parts showed a tendency to droop that I couldn't tally with the photos.
As you rightly say though, it does nothing to detract from Ryszard's stunning build!
All the best
Rowan
Ironically, I came to the opposite conclusion after laying a ruler over the photos in Windsock's Eindecker Specials. As you can imagine, I was loath to pick a hole in WNW's kits when I reviewed them without checking as best I could. But test-fitting the kit parts showed a tendency to droop that I couldn't tally with the photos.
As you rightly say though, it does nothing to detract from Ryszard's stunning build!
All the best
Rowan
CaptnTommy
Connecticut, United States
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Posted: Friday, April 25, 2014 - 06:33 AM UTC
Merlin
It may be in the eye of this beholder, but I remember in one of my tomes of ancient aviation the Eindeker wings were very flexible (due to the wing warping) and this was a reason the performance was so poor compared to the stiffer Biplanes with ailerons. The warping Fok D-I and II had the same sluggish manuverability compared to the contemporary Neiuport 11 and DH-2 (same horsepower and all that).
On the eindeker the flexible wing even in trim could take on a sag at rest and a slight reverse in flight. Though there are not enough WWI phohtos showing a E-I/II/III/IV in flight, confirm these thoughts.
Speaking of flexible wings have you ever looked out the window when a 747 or 777 made a aileron input and noticed the wing tip move and then you?
I bend in the direction of your opinion.
Captn Tommy
It may be in the eye of this beholder, but I remember in one of my tomes of ancient aviation the Eindeker wings were very flexible (due to the wing warping) and this was a reason the performance was so poor compared to the stiffer Biplanes with ailerons. The warping Fok D-I and II had the same sluggish manuverability compared to the contemporary Neiuport 11 and DH-2 (same horsepower and all that).
On the eindeker the flexible wing even in trim could take on a sag at rest and a slight reverse in flight. Though there are not enough WWI phohtos showing a E-I/II/III/IV in flight, confirm these thoughts.
Speaking of flexible wings have you ever looked out the window when a 747 or 777 made a aileron input and noticed the wing tip move and then you?
I bend in the direction of your opinion.
Captn Tommy
RYSZARD
Krakow, Poland
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Posted: Sunday, June 01, 2014 - 03:20 AM UTC
Mgunns
Arizona, United States
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Posted: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - 05:24 AM UTC
Neat model. Outstanding work on the cowling and the shading.
I like your vignette as well.
Best
Mark
I like your vignette as well.
Best
Mark