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World War II: Great Britain
Aircraft of Great Britain in WWII.
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Posted: Monday, August 10, 2015 - 07:04 PM UTC
Hey gang,

Not sure how many have seen this yet, but it's got me drooling......except the price.

http://dragonusaonline.com/item_detail.aspx?ItemCode=BOM35195

See ya in the funnies................
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Posted: Monday, August 10, 2015 - 08:39 PM UTC
I knew it was coming, but not the price. Not interested in 1/35 but if they are smart they will also downsize this puppy to 1/48.
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Posted: Monday, August 10, 2015 - 09:03 PM UTC
Figures it's 1/35 scale as it's meant for the armor crowd. The price is really outrageous as I can't imagine a simple glider kit being so detailed that it warrants a $160 price tag.

Like Brian, I'll take a pass on it unless they do downsize it to 1/48 scale, as well as downsizing that price tag.

Joel
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Posted: Monday, August 10, 2015 - 09:07 PM UTC
Hello Brian,

Well, they made one in 1/48th. Fonderie Miniatures Kit #6061. It's a rare kit I think. You might find one on Evilbay.

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Posted: Monday, August 10, 2015 - 09:22 PM UTC
Hello Joel,

Well this thread is what triggered me to posting here.

https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/238027

A lot of the guys over there have mixed feelings about the "half section" being offered. Personally, barring the price, I'll take the whole kit because you can do more with it vs. the "half" kit. Three parts for who knows how much, three dio's, vs. whole kit, possible 5 dio's out of it. I guess it depends on how one is going to present it.

Just my opinion.

See ya in the funnies........
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Posted: Monday, August 10, 2015 - 10:13 PM UTC
The glass (Horsa) is half full … or is it half empty? … or just plain full to the brim? Bronco has made those options available ... the choice is yours.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - 01:07 AM UTC
Hi there

1:35 won't interest me, but I'd definitely go for a decent 1:48 kit.

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - 06:53 PM UTC
Sure sounds like the vast number of aircraft modelers are turned off by the armor scale. It's just too small next to a 1/32 scale aircraft, and too large next to a 1/48 scale aircraft.

I never did understand the concept of 1/35 rather then the more accepted 1/32 scale, when armor is also made in 1/48 and 1/72 scales. Of course there is also that really odd ball 1/76 scale that makes no sense at all.

Joel
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Posted: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 - 11:35 PM UTC

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Hello Brian,

Well, they made one in 1/48th. Fonderie Miniatures Kit #6061. It's a rare kit I think. You might find one on Evilbay.

See ya in the funnies............



I am aware of it, but I avoid F-M kits like the plague.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 - 12:31 AM UTC
Never had the pleasure of building one of those kits Brian. The kits are that good? (Sarcasm, it's a free service.) Thread for another time I guess.

See ya in the funnies..............
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Posted: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 - 12:38 AM UTC

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Never had the pleasure of building one of those kits Brian. The kits are that good? (Sarcasm, it's a free service.) Thread for another time I guess.

See ya in the funnies..............



My brother had bought A 1/48 scale F11F FM kit on ebay, took one look at it, and sold it for a loss. It was that bad.

Joel
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Hi there

Check out some of Jean-Luc's superb FM builds here on Aeroscale... they can be built, but they're certainly not for the faint-hearted.

One of these days I'll dig out my Halifax again to remind Mal of his promise to eat his shorts if I ever finish it!

All the best

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Posted: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 - 03:02 AM UTC

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I never did understand the concept of 1/35 rather then the more accepted 1/32 scale, when armor is also made in 1/48 and 1/72 scales. Of course there is also that really odd ball 1/76 scale that makes no sense at all.

Joel



1/35 has its origins in Japan. Tamiya San chose that scale for reasons of his own, and since he pretty much owned the armour market throughout the 1960s and 1970s, it stuck. 1/76 is UK OO scale, making the models fit companions for railroad layouts.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 - 03:20 AM UTC

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I never did understand the concept of 1/35 rather then the more accepted 1/32 scale, when armor is also made in 1/48 and 1/72 scales. Of course there is also that really odd ball 1/76 scale that makes no sense at all.

Joel



1/35 has its origins in Japan. Tamiya San chose that scale for reasons of his own, and since he pretty much owned the armour market throughout the 1960s and 1970s, it stuck. 1/76 is UK OO scale, making the models fit companions for railroad layouts.



Jessica,
Thanks for that explanation. Sure would like to know what his reasoning was.
Joel
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One of these days I'll dig out my Halifax again to remind Mal of his promise to eat his shorts if I ever finish it!

Rowan



Ah yes, the Halifax. From my perspective, this is the definitive build.

In your dreams, O'Neill
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Posted: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 - 05:27 AM UTC

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Thanks for that explanation. Sure would like to know what his reasoning was.
Joel



Wikipedia says
Company chairman Shunsaku Tamiya explains the origins of the scale in his book Master Modeler:

After the success of the Panther, I thought it would be a good idea for us to produce other tanks from different countries in the same scale. I measured the Panther and it turned out to be about 1/35 of the size of the original. This size had been chosen simply because it would accommodate a couple of B-type batteries. Tamiya's 1/35 series tanks eventually got to be known around the world, but this is the slightly haphazard origin of their rather awkward scale.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 - 07:29 PM UTC

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Thanks for that explanation. Sure would like to know what his reasoning was.
Joel



Wikipedia says
Company chairman Shunsaku Tamiya explains the origins of the scale in his book Master Modeler:

After the success of the Panther, I thought it would be a good idea for us to produce other tanks from different countries in the same scale. I measured the Panther and it turned out to be about 1/35 of the size of the original. This size had been chosen simply because it would accommodate a couple of B-type batteries. Tamiya's 1/35 series tanks eventually got to be known around the world, but this is the slightly haphazard origin of their rather awkward scale.



Jessica,
Thanks for that info. And to think that it all came down because of a couple of B-type batteries. Go figure
Joel
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Posted: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 - 07:58 PM UTC
Hi there

Those batteries have got a lot to answer for!

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Monday, August 17, 2015 - 05:40 AM UTC
Yes, I knew this is how it came to be for some years now...

Strangely enough, there was a kind of "precursor" to the Tamiya story that might have played a role...: In WWII US Army recognition models were 1/36th, and those were used as toys in the 1950s, some improved with mobile turrets and loose tracks, all metal except maybe for rubber tracks... Later, when Monogram came out with plastic armor in the early 60s, they initially decided to make them 1/36 to match the metal models...

Then Monogram more sensibly switched to well-established 1/32, but for a while the plastic tanks had mixed scales in the body/turrets...

1/32 and 1/48th, the "good" reasonable armor scales, were in the late 60s early 70s real competitors to Tamiya's oddball scale of 1/35th: The real breakthrough for Tamiya's scale came in 1972 when then super-heavyweight Italery chose... 1/35th!!! Had Italeri chosen 1/32, or 1/48th, you can be almost assured 1/35th would have ceased to exist by the late 70s... Italeri was big back then...

As early as 1973 Bandai armor was on a firesale all over the US... By 1977/78, when I first entered a hobby shop, Bandais were a recent memory, but entirely gone from the shelves...

Gaston
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Posted: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - 01:27 AM UTC
Hi again

I never understood why Bandai's 1:48 range "died a death"; the modelling press in the UK raved about them as being better detailed than larger scale kits, and everyone I knew bought them as soon as they saw them on the LHS shelves. I guess they just got swamped by the 1:35 phenomenon...

Typically, there was a fresh craze for them here in the UK years later - far too late to save them. As Joni Mitchell would say - "You don't know what you've got till it's gone". The irony of Tamiya finally resurrecting 1:48 armour after the competition was dead and gone was noted at the time.

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - 07:53 AM UTC
Hey Gang,

Interesting comments. Personally for me, I try to stay away from 1/72nd scale kits. That's too small for my sausage fingers. 1/48th is as small as I'd like to go with aircraft kits.

I'd like to see a better mix of 1/35th aircraft. In my view, that would be the "happy" median just like with the mix of 1/48th armor/aircraft and 1/72nd armor/aircraft kits. However, cost would be a very large concern. H/K kits are an excellent example. Too much for this little black duck.

Just for a laugh, I did a convert a while back on doing a 1/35th scale U.S.S. Missouri battleship, OUCH! 19ft long x 6 ft. beam. Scary!

Back to H/K kits, I think they made a bold move by doing the B-25 in 1/32nd. I can't wait to see the size of the Lancaster, but not the price! Step away from the kit!

Anyways, just my 2.5 cents, no change needed.

See ya in the funnies..............
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Posted: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - 08:33 AM UTC

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Just for a laugh, I did a convert a while back on doing a 1/35th scale U.S.S. Missouri battleship, OUCH! 19ft long x 6 ft. beam. Scary!



It's been done
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Posted: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - 09:14 AM UTC
I think some fella in Louisiana made a motorised replica so large it had to be registered and licensed to go out onto a lake.

...19 feet long... You'll be on that one for a while.

Gary
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Posted: Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - 02:01 PM UTC
hahaha been there, done that!

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