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World War II: Great Britain
Aircraft of Great Britain in WWII.
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Building Tamiya's 1/48 Lancaster
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Posted: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 - 11:40 AM UTC
Paul,
Looking nice!

Gaz
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Posted: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 - 06:20 PM UTC
Thanks chaps, and more progress incoming !





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Posted: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 - 06:24 PM UTC

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It's a bugbear of mine that many "modelling" tools or supplies are sold at an inflated price because they are supposedly specialist hobby materials.


I totally agree.

Maybe we should assemble a list of test and tried alternative modelling products and write a nice feature about it.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 - 12:11 AM UTC
I agree on that on,by the way exellent job on the lancaster.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 - 02:05 AM UTC
Paul,
She's really getting the-look! The masking in the middle kinda gices it a bird-in-a-bodycast image to me.

Gaz
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Posted: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 - 08:07 AM UTC
Paul

Really interesting to see your mottling technique. Looks great and seems logical to take a random approach to replicating the variations in paint finish. Do you have any advice on how you choose the colour to use for mottling?

Simon
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Posted: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 - 12:22 PM UTC

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I agree on that on,by the way exellent job on the lancaster.


Thank you Oliver, glad you approve



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Paul,
She's really getting the-look! The masking in the middle kinda gices it a bird-in-a-bodycast image to me.

Gaz


Cheers Gaz, yes I agree. Fully masked off and as Halloween is approaching it reminded my partner of a mummified aircraft.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 - 12:32 PM UTC

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Paul

Really interesting to see your mottling technique. Looks great and seems logical to take a random approach to replicating the variations in paint finish. Do you have any advice on how you choose the colour to use for mottling?

Simon


Many thanks Simon, I'm no expert on this technique being that this is the first time I've tried it.
Joel is achieving the same effect in his Mosquito build. As his camo scheme uses light grey/green he used the light grey to mottle to great effect.
However, both my camo colours are relatively dark so I chose the Deck Tan colour simply because it had a slight hint of greeny/brown about it. It was just a hunch that I should steer clear of a neutral white or grey.
That may actually have worked just as well but I thought it might help not only with variation in the density of the camo colour but also with a slight variation in the colour itself.
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Posted: Thursday, October 20, 2016 - 09:03 PM UTC
Today saw me getting all domestic with the Pledge floor polish and the hairdryer.

Yes, I'm still talking about the Lanc

Successive thin coats of Future/Klear and then hitting it with low heat setting to dry it out fast. I've seen people say that you need to leave each coat at least 24 hours to dry but I've experienced absolutely no harmful effects in accelerating the drying process.
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Posted: Friday, October 21, 2016 - 01:03 AM UTC
Interesting. Never heard of using a hair dryer on it. Honestly, though there is 'curing' happening under the outside of the acrylic. I might put multiple coats on, but I'll let all of them cure overnight together before I hit them with anything solvent based.

Gaz
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Posted: Saturday, October 22, 2016 - 12:58 AM UTC
Paul,
The camo paint scheme came out perfectly. Your modification to the basic concept of Black Basing really works well with the darker colors.

Pledge, Future, etc., dries to the touch for kitchen floors in 20 min, and that process uses a lot more Acrylic sealer. With the use of a hair dryer it should be rock hard in 10-15 min.

And thanks for the mention of my Mossie build. About the only difference is that I've thinned the Tamiya paint 1:3 rather then my usual 1:1. For bright or light colors I'm thinking that 1:2 would be the way to go.

Joel

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Posted: Saturday, October 22, 2016 - 05:49 PM UTC

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Interesting. Never heard of using a hair dryer on it. Honestly, though there is 'curing' happening under the outside of the acrylic. I might put multiple coats on, but I'll let all of them cure overnight together before I hit them with anything solvent based.

Gaz


Hi Gaz, there is nothing to worry about if you repeatedly apply very thin coats then heat. You can quickly build up to a glossy finish within ten minutes and save yourself a day of waiting.
The only thing to worry about is blowing all the light things off your desk.
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Posted: Saturday, October 22, 2016 - 05:57 PM UTC

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Paul,
The camo paint scheme came out perfectly. Your modification to the basic concept of Black Basing really works well with the darker colors.

Pledge, Future, etc., dries to the touch for kitchen floors in 20 min, and that process uses a lot more Acrylic sealer. With the use of a hair dryer it should be rock hard in 10-15 min.

And thanks for the mention of my Mossie build. About the only difference is that I've thinned the Tamiya paint 1:3 rather then my usual 1:1. For bright or light colors I'm thinking that 1:2 would be the way to go.

Joel



Thanks once again Joel, aside from the pain that was masking and then reversing the mask (i'd plan that better somehow next time) it was a fun and easy technique that gives you a lot of subtle variation in the paintwork. Trying to achieve the same random feel with a post shade effect would be much more time consuming I think.

And you're welcome regarding the mention of your build, by chance we both arrived at the paint stage together and were using the same kind of technique. As I was a first timer I thought it best to point people towards someone who knew what they were talking about.
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Posted: Monday, October 24, 2016 - 04:30 PM UTC
Task for this week : try out some home made decals.
Updates to follow !
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Posted: Monday, October 24, 2016 - 08:42 PM UTC

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Task for this week : try out some home made decals.
Updates to follow !


Paul,
Looking forward to your update on your home made brew.
Joel
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Posted: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 - 07:16 PM UTC




I've followed the manufacturer's instructions (and Gaz's suggestion of a second coat) and sprayed Microscale's liquid decal film to seal them followed by a thicker brush coat.
Airbrushing this stuff was not easy as it's pretty gloopy. A slighty higher psi helped.
The brushed on coat looked very streaky but self levelled into a beautiful glossy finish that's invisible to the naked eye.

Now to cut 'em up and see how they fare....
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Posted: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - 03:15 AM UTC
Paul

Thanks for the info on mottling colours. I will give that a try on my next build. And those decals look great. Looking forward to seeing them in place.

Simon
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Posted: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - 04:26 AM UTC
Thanks Simon. A whole new world of possibilities has opened up in front of me with customised markings.

The process of sizing was hit and miss and required several printings on plain paper at low (ink saving) settings until i was happy.

There may be ways to scan or import scaled plans of your subject so that you could overlay your markings and be confident of sizes.... Im not sure but something to experiment with in the future.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - 08:17 PM UTC


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Posted: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - 08:22 PM UTC
Here's some of the interesting evidence of the tail letters.
A photo of a 9 Sqdn Lanc that crash landed in Russia one of the earlier attempts to sink the Tirpitz:
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Posted: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - 08:39 PM UTC
And what is a very interesting painting of the "Bergen incident" that hangs in the Petwood hotel which was, for a time, the home of 617's officers.
The painting commemorates the attack on and subsequent survival of the Lanc flown by Tony Iveson whereupon he was awarded the DFC.
But for a chance brake failure discovered on preparation for take off this painting would have shown Tony's usual aircraft F-Fox, the subject of this blog. Instead it shows the reserve aircraft M-Mike


Thanks to I&M for the photos (and the kit which kick started this whole journey!)

A close up reveals some interesting details notably the tailplane lettering but also what appears to be red primer revealed by the removal of the mid upper turret fairing. This might be artistic license but if so it's a well informed guess in my opinion.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - 09:04 PM UTC
Very well done with those decals!
The bleeding is something that also occurred to my selfmade ones for my Bulldog. Try to soak them carefully and only from the back side and maybe use a second coat of acrylic or enamel clear coat before and let it really cure (I used Mr.Hobby Metal Primer that worked fine after drying 2 days).

All in all a fantastic work Paul!Go ahead on this bird
Thomas
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Posted: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - 11:16 PM UTC
Paul,
Your custom decals really came out quite well. the leeching along the border could have been corrected with even tighter trimming. Or did the leeching only happen after the decals wee soaked in water? Would more Clear decal sealer solved the issue?
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Posted: Thursday, October 27, 2016 - 03:55 AM UTC

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Very well done with those decals!
The bleeding is something that also occurred to my selfmade ones for my Bulldog. Try to soak them carefully and only from the back side and maybe use a second coat of acrylic or enamel clear coat before and let it really cure (I used Mr.Hobby Metal Primer that worked fine after drying 2 days).

All in all a fantastic work Paul!Go ahead on this bird
Thomas


Thanks Thomas, considering it was my first attempt at home made decals I couldnt really expect perfection. I'm happy how thin they are though because they conform to the surface detail first time. I dont think i've ever had kit decals do that.
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Posted: Thursday, October 27, 2016 - 04:05 AM UTC

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Paul,
Your custom decals really came out quite well. the leeching along the border could have been corrected with even tighter trimming. Or did the leeching only happen after the decals wee soaked in water? Would more Clear decal sealer solved the issue?
Joel


I suspect a combination of both. The trimming could have been better but there was definitely some leeching of the ink as I had some hints of colour on the damp paper towel I used to press the decals down with.

I coated the remaining decals again and applied the markings to one side of the fuselage. I managed to trim them much more cleanly and the results are much better. Pictures to follow.

In fact I will most likely remove the tail markings and try again. Its all one big learning experience!
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