Hi everyone ,
it is my first topic here on aeroscale , usually you find me on armorama were i've posted the pictures of my dioramas . From time to time i create in-flight dioramas like this one , please have a look on the link https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/222927#1877126
A few weeks ago there was a small exhibition about the aerodrome where the famous Manfred von Richthofen and his flying circus (two squadrons of four )were stationed in 1917 . Maybe the name of the aerodrome will ring a bell if i tell you it's Marckebeeke located in Belgium. My question to you all is if there's some interest to see the photos ? I have to tell that i've never seen them before on the web to be honest . Pretty much exclusive i think ?
just let me know if i have to post the pictures here ?
Thanks for watching ,
Kurt
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Posted: Friday, October 13, 2017 - 07:43 PM UTC
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Posted: Friday, October 13, 2017 - 08:44 PM UTC
I'd definitely like to see them.
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Posted: Friday, October 13, 2017 - 11:42 PM UTC
Thanks for the reply Jessie .
Here they are ,
First the German medals and insignia . on top The Blue Max or like the Germans said "Pour Le Mèrite ", which is French for merit.
On the left the red star it's not Russian but an award from the Ottoman Empire .
In the middle the insignia for pilot .
On the right the Iron Cross second class and bottom First class.
The Blue Max in close up
Some pictures of Germans at the castle and Aerodrome
General Ludendorff visiting the Aerodrome , watch the path or road leading to the farmhouse in the distance .
My photo at the same spot but in the opposite direction the farmhouse behind me, i have to say that it has been restored like it was before the First World War. So this is how it looks today ,a dirt road.
A crash landing not the first one in those days ;
The Red Baron on the stairs with the pilots of Jasta 11 or 11th squadron .
The Red Baron with Werner Voss ;
A part of his uniform (Jacket)
More soon .
Thanks for watching ,
Kurt
Here they are ,
First the German medals and insignia . on top The Blue Max or like the Germans said "Pour Le Mèrite ", which is French for merit.
On the left the red star it's not Russian but an award from the Ottoman Empire .
In the middle the insignia for pilot .
On the right the Iron Cross second class and bottom First class.
The Blue Max in close up
Some pictures of Germans at the castle and Aerodrome
General Ludendorff visiting the Aerodrome , watch the path or road leading to the farmhouse in the distance .
My photo at the same spot but in the opposite direction the farmhouse behind me, i have to say that it has been restored like it was before the First World War. So this is how it looks today ,a dirt road.
A crash landing not the first one in those days ;
The Red Baron on the stairs with the pilots of Jasta 11 or 11th squadron .
The Red Baron with Werner Voss ;
A part of his uniform (Jacket)
More soon .
Thanks for watching ,
Kurt
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Posted: Saturday, October 14, 2017 - 03:44 AM UTC
Fokker F1 , Pfalz and Albatros DV
Werner Voss with Anthony Fokker
Some RC airplanes scale 1/6
Nieuport 11
Fokker FI
BE 2 ?
Sopwith Camel
As it looks today , very peacefully not like in 1917.
The End
Thanks for watching ,
Kurt
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Posted: Saturday, October 14, 2017 - 01:57 PM UTC
I forgot posting these two pictures by the way ,
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Posted: Saturday, October 14, 2017 - 02:43 PM UTC
Nice stuff, thanks for sharing!
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Posted: Saturday, October 14, 2017 - 06:48 PM UTC
The British airplane which is not a Be.2 is actually a Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter,
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Posted: Saturday, October 14, 2017 - 09:30 PM UTC
Thank you for the replies ,
indeed the sopwith Strutter i forgot to check it out on the internet later , sorry for that .
Cheers ,
Kurt
indeed the sopwith Strutter i forgot to check it out on the internet later , sorry for that .
Cheers ,
Kurt
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Posted: Saturday, October 14, 2017 - 10:12 PM UTC
Great photos and thank you for sharing them with us.
Gary
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Posted: Saturday, October 14, 2017 - 10:53 PM UTC
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Great photos and thank you for sharing them with us.
Gary
You are welcome . With pleasure .
Kurt
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On the left - Not Voss. It is Ritt. Heino Grieffenhagen Commander Jasta 18.
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Posted: Sunday, October 15, 2017 - 12:59 AM UTC
Kaiser Truppenshau Aug. 19, 1917.
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On the left - Not Voss. It is Ritt. Heino Grieffenhagen Commander Jasta 18.
That's correct . With two air victories at that moment.
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Kaiser Truppenshau Aug. 19, 1917.
Nope you're wrong, General Ludendorff for sure and probably General Sixt von Arnim the commander of the 4th army. The date is correct but the Kaiser never visited the Aerodrome .
Kurt
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Interesting photo of the Baron’s Albatros. Notice a few things:
1. It looks as if the Baron’s plane was run into by the aircraft behind. A) there is no skid marks on the fore side of the picture. The Baron’s plane was pushed toward the camera. It was hit.
2. The upright wing is pointed in the wrong direction, and its angle matches the angle of the stabilizer at the left of the picture.
Now, the proof that the forward D-V is the Red Baron’s. is proven by the painted out fuselage Cross (and the fact that it is probably well vetted before being put in the Museum. What is interesting is it gives good evidence that the wings and horizontal tail were standard pre lozenge Camouflage.
1. Notice the elevator, it is two tone, as is the Stab. The lack of shadows on the ground or the rudder indicate a bright overcast or a noonish hour. So we can assume the greys match the colors.
2. The lower main plane also shows some color demarcations but not as obvious.
3. The rudder/vertical stab. Are the same grey as the fuselage. The fuselage is painted, and matches the metal cowel panels.
I have looked at enough B&W photos to notice these things, (and a few years in failure mode analysis). But I would like to know if there is another opinion out there.
Enjoy my guessing game.
Captn Tommy
1. It looks as if the Baron’s plane was run into by the aircraft behind. A) there is no skid marks on the fore side of the picture. The Baron’s plane was pushed toward the camera. It was hit.
2. The upright wing is pointed in the wrong direction, and its angle matches the angle of the stabilizer at the left of the picture.
Now, the proof that the forward D-V is the Red Baron’s. is proven by the painted out fuselage Cross (and the fact that it is probably well vetted before being put in the Museum. What is interesting is it gives good evidence that the wings and horizontal tail were standard pre lozenge Camouflage.
1. Notice the elevator, it is two tone, as is the Stab. The lack of shadows on the ground or the rudder indicate a bright overcast or a noonish hour. So we can assume the greys match the colors.
2. The lower main plane also shows some color demarcations but not as obvious.
3. The rudder/vertical stab. Are the same grey as the fuselage. The fuselage is painted, and matches the metal cowel panels.
I have looked at enough B&W photos to notice these things, (and a few years in failure mode analysis). But I would like to know if there is another opinion out there.
Enjoy my guessing game.
Captn Tommy
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Posted: Sunday, October 22, 2017 - 10:34 AM UTC
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Quoted TextKaiser Truppenshau Aug. 19, 1917.
Nope you're wrong, General Ludendorff for sure and probably General Sixt von Arnim the commander of the 4th army. The date is correct but the Kaiser never visited the Aerodrome .
Kurt
But is was still named the "Kaiser Truppenshau".
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If the entire front knows the King is going to review them (or sector), It is not depending on time, necessary for him to visit all. Our Dean spoke, apologizing that POTUS was behind schedule, etc. etc.... College... 'a long time ago,...'
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Interesting photo of the Baron’s Albatros. Notice a few things. . .I have looked at enough B&W photos to notice these things, (and a few years in failure mode analysis). But I would like to know if there is another opinion out there.
Enjoy my guessing game.
Captn Tommy
Greetings Tommy, This was discussed over on theaerodrome.com some years ago & the serial was "believed to have been 2039/17. Not MvR's
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Posted: Sunday, December 10, 2017 - 10:27 PM UTC
THANK YOU ... You must have had a clearer copy.
I wonder if there is some other distinguishing factor. In Black and white there are several other colors the fuselage could be. Even, depending on the film, yellow.
Captn Tommy
I wonder if there is some other distinguishing factor. In Black and white there are several other colors the fuselage could be. Even, depending on the film, yellow.
Captn Tommy
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Posted: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 - 03:26 AM UTC
Hi Kurt,
A few years ago I saw some relics from Richthofen's Fokker here in Toronto.
http://warwriting.blogspot.ca/2009/08/von-richthofen-display-in-wings-room-of.html
A few years ago I saw some relics from Richthofen's Fokker here in Toronto.
http://warwriting.blogspot.ca/2009/08/von-richthofen-display-in-wings-room-of.html
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Hi Kurt,
A few years ago I saw some relics from Richthofen's Fokker here in Toronto.
http://warwriting.blogspot.ca/2009/08/von-richthofen-display-in-wings-room-of.html
Hi , thanks for sharing . The relics on the photo are from his Fokker DRI . He never flew with a red painted Fokker during the time he fought in the sky above Flanders . In fact his flying sorties were very rare due to his head wound that didn't heal properly.
Kurt