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Now Enlisting: Learning to Fly Campaign
john41492
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Posted: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 - 09:11 PM UTC
Before they became masters of the skies, they had to take baby steps.

-Any trainer that has a student and instructor on board.
-Any scale past, present or future.
-Build should be no more than 25% complete
-Lasting 6 months.

I'm betting we all have at least one in our stash, so what do you all think?
phantom_phanatic309
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United Kingdom
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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 01:34 AM UTC
I've got several post-war RAF trainers in my stashed, so count me in.
PasiAhopelto
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Uusimaa, Finland
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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 01:58 AM UTC
I have exactly one in stash (Wingnut Wings FE.2b, RFC Training Squadron, 1917). It's unarmed FE.2b in plain markings, and I'd guess the instructor sat on gunner's seat in front of the pilot. No secondary controls, doesn't sound very safe...

If this is permitted, then will join.
Jessie_C
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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 03:37 AM UTC
Oooh, that's perfect. Now all I need to do is find markings for C-GCLB circa 1981...
md72
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Washington, United States
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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 05:24 AM UTC
Well let's see Cessna 150 (earned my license in a 152), Tiger moth, Stearman Kaydet, T-6, T-28, T-33, T-38, T-45 and T-2. Yep, I might have one for this.
Also have a T-34, but I think it's past the 25% spot.
rochaped
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Lisboa, Portugal
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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 09:23 AM UTC
Have the T-6 in the stash. Might join if the time frame fits
phantom_phanatic309
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Posted: Thursday, August 09, 2018 - 01:23 PM UTC
A quick look reveals I have a Sopwith Strutter trainer, Avro 504, Tiger Moth, Harvard, Chipmunk, Provost, Vampire T11, Tucano, Hunter T7, Jaguar T2, Gnat and several Jet Provosts and Hawks. Some of those I had completely forgotten I had, so worth my time looking.

Pretty sure I also have a Hobbycraft kit of a CAF trainer that looks like a cross between a T-37 and JP. I can't for the life of me remember what it is exactly or find it, but I know I have it and it's bugging me.

Jessie_C
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Posted: Friday, August 10, 2018 - 03:31 AM UTC

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Pretty sure I also have a Hobbycraft kit of a CAF trainer that looks like a cross between a T-37 and JP. I can't for the life of me remember what it is exactly or find it, but I know I have it and it's bugging me.



That'll be the Canadair Tutor. Watch out for the u/c legs in the 1/72 kits. As moulded they're much too long and need to have a couple mm clipped out of them.

Hobbycrap did two boxings (also in 1/48); the Snowbirds and a standard trainer (inexplicably called the "CT-141"). Try to get the "Black box" versions, because the "grey box" decals are quite frankly garbage.
phantom_phanatic309
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Posted: Friday, August 10, 2018 - 04:06 AM UTC

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Pretty sure I also have a Hobbycraft kit of a CAF trainer that looks like a cross between a T-37 and JP. I can't for the life of me remember what it is exactly or find it, but I know I have it and it's bugging me.



That'll be the Canadair Tutor. Watch out for the u/c legs in the 1/72 kits. As moulded they're much too long and need to have a couple mm clipped out of them.

Hobbycrap did two boxings (also in 1/48); the Snowbirds and a standard trainer (inexplicably called the "CT-141"). Try to get the "Black box" versions, because the "grey box" decals are quite frankly garbage.


Yeah that's the one I was thinking of. I'm pretty sure I do have the 1/72 grey box Snowbirds boxing because I remember how bad the decals looked. I'll have to try to find it and check.
Thanks.

I'm leaning towards doing a Hawk for this build. Recently picked up the Revell 1/32 and some really nice decals by Flightpath.

Just one question about the rules. Is the campaign just for primary trainers, or is it also covering advanced trainers such as the Jaguar T2 and Mirage IIIB for example?
john41492
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Posted: Friday, August 10, 2018 - 05:31 AM UTC
Hi all,

It's nice to see such an interest here!

Regarding the couple of questions so far, Pasi, the FE 2b, was used as a trainer during the war, and afterwards a few were sold to China in 1919 with a modified nacelle with dual controls. I'm not sure on the RAF version during the war, except that it was used as a trainer. So yes, I think it would qualify.

Stephen, as to the Jaguar T2, and Mirage IIIB. Both are 2 seat advanced trainers, one for an instructor and one for a student, so yes there in.

Hope that helps,

John
PasiAhopelto
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Uusimaa, Finland
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Posted: Friday, August 10, 2018 - 06:39 AM UTC
Thanks John. So joining the campaign.
phantom_phanatic309
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Posted: Saturday, August 11, 2018 - 05:59 AM UTC

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Hi all,

It's nice to see such an interest here!

Regarding the couple of questions so far, Pasi, the FE 2b, was used as a trainer during the war, and afterwards a few were sold to China in 1919 with a modified nacelle with dual controls. I'm not sure on the RAF version during the war, except that it was used as a trainer. So yes, I think it would qualify.

Stephen, as to the Jaguar T2, and Mirage IIIB. Both are 2 seat advanced trainers, one for an instructor and one for a student, so yes there in.

Hope that helps,

John


Cool. Just something I thought about while typing my last post. Opens up the campaign to lots of interesting types.

I've always had a plan to build a collection of RAF trainers, hence how I have so many unbuilt. This will finally give me the kick up the back side I need to make a start.
md72
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Posted: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 - 05:21 PM UTC
Ohh look, I found a PT-19A, another T-33 and a second T-2. not to mention a Vampire T.11 parked over with the Hanger Queens...
heavyjagdpanzer
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Georgia, United States
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Posted: Friday, August 17, 2018 - 05:43 AM UTC
I would like to join. Jessie_C was my inspiration. I have ordered a CMR Laister-Kauffman TG-4 two place training glider. I have never built a resin kit, so a glider should be a good place to start.

john41492
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Malacca, Malaysia
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Posted: Monday, August 20, 2018 - 05:19 AM UTC
Hi All,

Wow, two gliders in the bull pen! Neat! We're getting closer to the magic number of 10.

Not a clue as to when this would start, I'm thinking of bouncing it off of Michael, to see what the que looks like.

I did have a ribbon idea, something along the lines of an Icarus silhouette, though I have no idea as to how to make them. Any thoughts here would be most helpful.

Invite your friends, we can get there!
heavyjagdpanzer
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Georgia, United States
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Posted: Monday, August 20, 2018 - 12:03 PM UTC
My kit came today. I think I will buy some more of these glider kits. They should be easy, fun, and no drama.
https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/share/cZUbk2eDlJeE6FmHy1syCeulrTQKN1iOEcJWibMHPMu
eMan
#298
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Hong Kong S.A.R. / 繁體
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Posted: Monday, August 20, 2018 - 11:15 PM UTC
I've Special Hobby 1/48 Ar96 in the stash, so count me in.
heavyjagdpanzer
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Georgia, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 - 07:48 AM UTC
Just curious, has there ever been a glider/sailplane campaign?
john41492
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Posted: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 - 05:13 AM UTC
Hi All,

Lap Man, good choice! Bill, I'm not too sure on the glider campaign question. I've not seen one, but I've only been a member for 3 years. I have seen gliders done in campaigns, though the ones that you and Jessie propose are far more elegant!

I was able to touch base with Michael regarding a potential start date. He indicates that December looks to be where the que is for new campaigns.

I also surfed the internet under "Learning to Fly". Interesting images there, certainly good ideas to come up with a ribbon. Any thoughts here would be most helpful.

Hopefully, this information can get some folks off the fence. We're getting really close, by my reckoning we need one more.

John
Jessie_C
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Posted: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 - 05:21 AM UTC
john41492
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Posted: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - 04:31 AM UTC
Hi All,

I'm still holding out hope that one more will want to learn to fly!

Jessie, had a good laugh, thanks! I did upload a few pics that might be good inspiration for a ribbon.

From the days of early flight.



And this.



and a cute/humorous one.



of course any other ideas are welcome. As I've said, I have no clue on how to make these things.

Let's hear your thoughts, and we need just one more to want to join!
Jessie_C
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Posted: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - 09:15 AM UTC
The trick to making a ribbon is to keep the design simple and bold. When you've only got 50 X 100 pixels, anything complicated becomes a mess.

Perhaps a mortar board with wings on either side?
Take this:

And trim the wings from this image:

The background ought to be a solid light colour for contrast, with a simple border.

I'l play with the concept and report back to the group.
goodn8
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Posted: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - 10:19 AM UTC

Quoted Text

The trick to making a ribbon is to keep the design simple and bold. When you've only got 50 X 100 pixels, anything complicated becomes a mess.

The background ought to be a solid light colour for contrast, with a simple border.

I'l play with the concept and report back to the group.


Hey folks,
I'm sure I'll find something in the stash that fits.
There should be a Roden-T28 Trojan, a Revell Eurofighter and a Italeri-North American F-100F Super Sabre.

But for now let me hijack Jessica's post about a ribbon.
BTW: Jessica, you only got 50 X 20 pixels.

My version of the shown pics:






Th mas
Jessie_C
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Posted: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - 11:04 AM UTC
Okay, here was my first idea. Not bad at full size

But shrink it to ribbon size and you lose the plot


How about another idea using the same symbolism as the wings. Birds come from eggs, so let's throw an egg in there, and give it the mortar board to wear. Riffing off Thomas' colour pallette gives us

Which at ribbon size can still be appreciated

goodn8
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Posted: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - 07:57 PM UTC
Jessica,
pretty nice idea with the egg!

But please let me edit it again and resize it to the proper ribbon aspect ratio.








Th mas
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