what is it? Luffwaffe pilots and their number of kills? wow, thats impressive

yes, the Germans were taught not to be proud of these war "heroes" I agree with geronimo, police officers and firemen are heroes, not nazis

That dude was a real Nazi during AND after the war; something that was not very common among the Luftwaffe pilots. Although his score looks impressive, I wouldn't praise him too much.

Rudel flew 2,530 missions. He is accredited for knocking out 500 tanks, 800 other military vehicles, 70 landing craft, 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 4 armored trains, and an unknown but significantly large number of anti-aircraft guns and artillery pieces. He was shot down more than 30 times by enemy forces. He was directly involved in 6 rescue missions to save members of his own squadron from imprisonment. His official medal, the highest in all of Germany, was officially designated as: “Golden Oak Wreaths with Swords and Diamonds top the Knight’s Cross of the Iron Cross.”

He was the most highly decorated soldier of the 3rd Reich, and still remains the most highly decorated wartime aviator in the world.

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yes, the Germans were taught not to be proud of these war "heroes" I agree with geronimo, police officers and firemen are heroes, not nazis

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As a retired fireman, I thank you for the respect given the public safety officers, they are worthy, of your admiration, praise, and are routeinely underpaid.

However, Germany (AFAIK) was taught to be unproud of her heroes because some of them served or subscribed to a politically incorrect idea - living space for the European race.

Deutschland was run over by communists from Russia, and the US State Dpeartment was full of them, theyre pushing the Orwellian 'memory hole' trick.

I wish the politicos would at least let us recognize the gallantry of the soldiers on ALL sides.
I feel modelers recognize that, and capture it in their art. Russian snipers, Luftwaffe Aces, American 101st, Japan minisub pilots, etc

Hope this doesnt offend anyone -
Germany was a great country when I lived there, and her people were great to me, and my family.

Thanks for the flowers, fireman. I agree to every point.
Maybe it's unpopular in Europe these days, but I like US people for what they are. Well, your actual government, ... let's talk about the weather...

Schöne Grüsse aus Aachen

Frank

hartmann sounds like a great pilot,
didnt Hans marseilles (sp?) also keep his wingman alive until he crashed in the desert???Good points all, Scunge

Interesting - you have been a kid in the seventies (me too), but you knew our beer ? Very interesting
CU
Frank

yes, the Germans were taught not to be proud of these war "heroes" I agree with geronimo, police officers and firemen are heroes, not nazis

Fascism is/was not only a German problem. People often seem to forget Italy and the ten thousands of volunteeres from France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Croatia, Albany etc. that joined the Waffen-SS.

No offense

Frank