Hi,
I was wondering if you could answear my question. Can the airplane be a Sea Harrier??? if so dose the english navy count???( ya know we are allies) If you could clear this up it would help

You could give it US Marine Corps markings since the Marine Corps is a department of the Navy (bracing for the frontal assault) and they fly off of US Navy ships.

Yes, you can do a Sea Harrier, and it has to be US Navy... #:-) #:-)

thanks for clearing that up.

Now ya tell me!

Oh well, I guess everyone's gotta start adding scratchbuilt detail to a sub-par kit sometime...

YodaMan

The Navy has no Harriers at all and the Marine Corps doesn't fly the British Sea Harrier. I think we should allow RN subjects. If you allow USMC subjects I may join in as well. But Navy!? That's a 4 letter word to a former jarhead like myself ..........Mike T

The USMC did fly the Sea Harrier GR1. They called it AV8A.
It is from the experience gained with that plane that they asked for a new development :
the AV8B Harrier II, the one we know well.
Still, none of them was used by the US Navy...

hey hey hey hey HEY HEY HEY

Okay folks, the RAF got the first Harrier, the GR. 1. The Marines got the Navy to buy the Marines its version of the GR. 1 -- the AV-8A -- in the 70's.

Spain eventually bought some of the Marine 8A order for its navy's use as AV-8A Matadors

The Fleet Air Arm, after geting rid of their fixed-wing carriers, then ordered what became the FRS. 1, which has a whole new fuselage forward of the intakes with a raised cockpit and more bubble-like canopy.

India also bought FRS. 1's for naval use.

Then the RAF and USMC in the 1970's started examining ways to improve what had become the thimble-nosed GR. 3 and the AV-8A -- that eventually led to the AV-8B/ GR.5 Harrier II family.

Spain also went for the AV-8B for naval use

And then there's the AV-8C -- AV-8A's modified with new leading edge extensions and new commo gear as a fill-in until the B's got into the MAW's

The Marines followed the same track as the RAF later, adding passive night attack capability to some B's with the IR bulge above the nose.

The Fleet Air Arm has upgraded its FRS. 1 family with improved radar in a reshaped nose -- the mark number escapes me.

And the Marines went one step further with the AV-8B, adding the APG-65 radar to some B's to make the AMRAAM-capable Super Harrier.

The Sea Harrier falls outside the build category, but I think it's the prettiest of the Harrier family.

But hey, Marine Harriers go to sea, and they are part of the big gray-green machine :-)

Maybe we should do a Harrier/Sea Harrier build the next time?

Sorry for the mix-up !
I think Italy's got a few also... but I'm not sure.
When you think that the guy who's at the origin of the system was a french engineer !
He couldn't find anyone interested at home, so he went across the channel...
And the Kestrel was born ! And after further development, there was the Harrier !
It's the same as with chemistry and physics : what's lost somewhere is gained somewhere else !

Some more discussion and we all go VTOL....

From what that sounds like to me is that you can do, say an A-10 and put navy markings on it #:-) But I could be missunder stood.

Come on Guys..... The details are listed in the forum named "Sign up for the Aircraft build". How could the specs be any easier?

Next, they'll go into Spacecraft flown or manned by Naval Aviators...

Gunnie

#:-) #:-) #:-) #:-) here is the specs for the harrier from here.

The AV-8B V/STOL strike aircraft was designed to replace the AV-8A and the A-4M light attack aircraft. The Marine Corps requirement for a V/STOL light attack force has been well documented since the late 1950's. Combining tactical mobility, responsiveness, reduced operating cost and basing flexibility, both afloat and ashore, V/STOL aircraft are particularly well-suited to the special combat and expeditionary requirements of the Marine Corps. The AV-8BII+ features the APG-65 Radar common to the F/A-18, as well as all previous systems and features common to the AV-8BII.
The mission of the VMA STOVL squadron is to attack and destroy surface and air targets, to escort helicopters, and to conduct other such air operations as may be directed. Specific tasks of the AV-8B HARRIER II include:

Conduct close air support using conventional and specific weapons.
Conduct deep air support, to include armed reconnaissance and air interdiction, using conventional and specific weapons.
Conduct offensive and defensive antiair warfare. This includes combat air patrol, armed escort missions, and offensive missions against enemy ground-to-air defenses, all within the capabilities of the aircraft.
Be able to operate and deliver ordnance at night and to operate under instrument flight conditions.
Be able to deploy for extended operations employing aerial refueling.
Be able to deploy to and operate from carriers and other suitable seagoing platforms, advanced bases, expeditionary airfields, and remote tactical landing sites.

Operation Desert Storm in 1991 was highlighted by expeditionary air operations performed by the AV-8B. The Harrier II was the first Marine Corps tactical strike platform to arrive in theater, and subsequently operated from various basing postures. Three squadrons, totaling 60 aircraft, and one six-aircraft detachment operated ashore from an expeditionary airfield, while one squadron of 20 aircraft operated from a sea platform. During the ground war, AV-8Bs were based as close as 35 nautical miles (40.22 miles) from the Kuwait border, making them the most forward deployed tactical strike aircraft in theater. The AV-8B flew 3,380 sorties for a total of 4,083 flight hours while maintaining a mission capable rate in excess of 90%. Average turnaround time during the ground war surge rate flight operations was 23 minutes. there :-)

I think Penny's guidelines are pretty clear:

1. US Navy aircraft (in Navy markings)
2. Kits must be completed and photos submitted no later than October 31, 2002
3. Any scale
4. Any era
5. Any build ( oob, scratchbuilt, aftermarket stuff, etc...)

That means the plane has to have "US Navy" Markings. No Harrier's then.

Cheers,
Jim

hey good idea gunnie :-)
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Penny,
You beat me to the reply!

Jim

ANY EARA you say..............
muhahahaha...........

Guys,
I bet if Jim was leading this build, you wouldn't be giving him such a hard time about it.... Just because I'm a girl doesn't mean I'm a softy.....

Lol...yes you can do an X-Wing in US Navy markings if you'd like.

Jim

Penny,
Yup. I would have made them all build the same kit! muuu haaa haaa

hehe

Jim

Jim,
Next time it WILL be IPMS out of the box rules, one kit and one kit only.....

The X-Wing wouldn't be realistic... because it used to fly A LONG LONG TIME AGO...
far before he US Navy even existed !
Of course, if the navy happened to find one in area 51 and fly it under it's makings,
that would be a completely different matter !

Gee Penny, and I even backed you up . . . . sniff sniff . . ..

Tell youse guys what -- you all turn a Hasegawa F4U-4 into a -4b and THEN I'll let you build yer X-wings.

Although Alan Shepard's Apollo mission would be the ULTIMATE U.S. Navy build

Don't hate me because I'm beautiful (stop laughin Penny). Hate me because I'm going to Nats