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What is Trop?, as in Bf109 trop
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Posted: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 04:38 AM UTC
some bf109 models say trop as suffix, what does this mean?
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Posted: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 04:45 AM UTC
TROPical. They had enlarged oil cooling systems & intakes, along with some other mods to help them perform better in the heat.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 04:45 AM UTC
Trop means the aircraft was "Tropicalized", specifically the inclusion of special air intake filters to prevent sand and excess dust from entering the carbureator.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 04:45 AM UTC
I guess tropical....so an adjusted version of the aircraft so it was up to the tropical environment (in case of the BF, I think it's a DAK version?)

But that's just my guess, you should wait till the experts give you the awnser

edit: two expert were also better in typing and posted already before me hehe
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Posted: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 05:48 AM UTC
All responding eluding to the Tropicalized BF-109 having sand filters and other modifications to allow for "tropical" operation are correct. The aircraft were build primarily to function in North Africa.

As to the BF designation:
"The Bayerische Flugzeugwerke AG (Aktiengesellschaft or Corporation) factory name was changed to the Messerschmitt AG in 1938 this led many to call it the Me 109, although the official Luftwaffe designation of the aircraft remained the Bf 109 throughout the war."

You may know that BMW stands for Bayerische Motoren Werke, this except for the ones made in North Carolina, there it stands for Bubba Makin' Wheels.
:-) Sorry couldn't help myself.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 06:20 AM UTC
:-) :-) :-)
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except for the ones made in North Carolina, there it stands for Bubba Makin' Wheels.
:-) :-) :-)

Good one, Chuck! However I can't let that one pass without pointing out the fact that they make those in SOUTH Carolina...

BTW, Chuck, LOOOOVE the Pogo!
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Posted: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 06:31 AM UTC
Robert - Thanks and Thanks.
Damn, I always get that wrong about BMW, I guess it's just wishful thinking on my part. My Son lives in North Carolina.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 09:44 AM UTC
OH....NO........ we got another North South thingy going...... :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) rolling on floor...........
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Posted: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 10:37 AM UTC

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You mean BMW doesn't stand for British Small Arms???!!!!



Tom


Maybe I'm slow, but that makes absolutely no sense.


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"The Bayerische Flugzeugwerke AG (Aktiengesellschaft or Corporation) factory name was changed to the Messerschmitt AG in 1938 this led many to call it the Me 109, although the official Luftwaffe designation of the aircraft remained the Bf 109 throughout the war."


For the foreign language impaired, Bayerische Flugzeugwerke means Bavarian Airplane Works. Similarly, Bayerische Motoren Werke means Bavarian Motor Works.

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Posted: Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 07:25 AM UTC

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You mean BMW doesn't stand for British Small Arms???!!!!

Yeah, do explain? is it something to do with not being American
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Posted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 04:14 AM UTC

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some bf109 models say trop as suffix, what does this mean?


I think in German it is called "Tropenfest" and as has been pointed out, means tropicalised.

Tropicalised LW aircraft also saw service in the Mediterranean TO and possibly also in the southern regions of the USSR
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Posted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 04:44 AM UTC
As I recall, JG27's Tropical Bf 109s have survival gear in the rear of the plane, including a rifle.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 06:08 AM UTC
Some tropical Bf 109s had also fixings on the fuselage side below the cockpit to attach an umbrella...

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Posted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 07:36 AM UTC
:-) Good one Jean-Luc, I have a reference book with a photo of several 109's on the "flightline" in Africa, with their umbrellas in place to shade the cockpits.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 07:41 AM UTC
BMW - British Miniature Weaponry
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Posted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 07:49 AM UTC

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You mean BMW doesn't stand for British Small Arms???!!!!



Tom

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Maybe I'm slow, but that makes absolutely no sense.

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"The Bayerische Flugzeugwerke AG (Aktiengesellschaft or Corporation) factory name was changed to the Messerschmitt AG in 1938 this led many to call it the Me 109, although the official Luftwaffe designation of the aircraft remained the Bf 109 throughout the war."

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For the foreign language impaired, Bayerische Flugzeugwerke means Bavarian Airplane Works. Similarly, Bayerische Motoren Werke means Bavarian Motor Works.

I don't see the relevance of BMW here, I'm not aware of any connection with Messerschmidt (or Bf if you must) production, the engine was a Daimler (or Mercedes) Benz surely? The BSA/BMW thing is presumably a reference to motorcycles - BSA (British Small Arms) in Birmingham were the world's largest motorcycle manufactureres pre-Honda. They went bust in 1971-2. BMW still make motorcycles, but they are not built entirely in East Berlin, by a mainly Turkish workforce (bet you didn't know that!!!).
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Posted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 07:57 AM UTC

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Some tropical Bf 109s had also fixings on the fuselage side below the cockpit to attach an umbrella...

Jean-Luc


Yup, so true. Don't forget the white walled tires. :-)
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Posted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 10:30 AM UTC

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The BSA/BMW thing is presumably a reference to motorcycles - BSA (British Small Arms) in Birmingham were the world's largest motorcycle manufactureres pre-Honda.

No one spotted the deliberate mistake here - BSA of course stands for Birmingham Small Arms.

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BMW still make motorcycles, but they are not built entirely in East Berlin, by a mainly Turkish workforce (bet you didn't know that!!!).

This makes more sense if you substitute now for not. What was said about proofreading your posts?
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Posted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 06:48 PM UTC

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:-) Good one Jean-Luc, I have a reference book with a photo of several 109's on the "flightline" in Africa, with their umbrellas in place to shade the cockpits.


Hi all!

These umbrellas are available at least in the Academy 1/48 Me Bf 109 G6 an G14 kits. I have those two in my stash. This would make a nice addition to a diorama!

Jean-Luc
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