Im excited about the pending release of the trupeter 1/35 scale chinook.
Does anyone know what the largest US vehicle the Chinook would have likely carried during the vietnam war?
There appears to be a small window in histoery whereby it would have had the lifting capacity to carry a M113 APC on the external hook, but I'm not sure if this is true/possible/practical etc.
So the question is, Whats the largest vehicle that would have been tranported inside the chinook (if any), and what whas the largest transported outside?
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mrvertrix
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Posted: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 08:50 AM UTC
CRS
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Posted: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 08:59 AM UTC
Biggest thing I saw inside was a Jeep (M-151 I think)
Biggest outside 155 Howitzer, most common load I remember was 105 Howitzer
Just from memory
Biggest outside 155 Howitzer, most common load I remember was 105 Howitzer
Just from memory
mrvertrix
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Posted: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 09:15 AM UTC
I thought my ambitions of a M113/Chinook diorama might be a bit ambitious. I dont suppose there is much point making a wildly innaccurate diorama; I might as well have an apache airlifting in a SdKfz halftrack!
I think I might be able to do something nice with a jeep though.
Thanks for the reply.
I think I might be able to do something nice with a jeep though.
Thanks for the reply.
Frenchy
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Posted: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 09:27 AM UTC
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I thought my ambitions of a M113/Chinook diorama might be a bit ambitious. I dont suppose there is much point making a wildly innaccurate diorama.
In fact there's is a picture in Simon Dunstan's book "Vietnam Tracks : Armor in Battle 1945-1975" of a Chinook used to retrieve a bogged down M113. I can try to scan it and send it to you if you are interested. Just PM your e-mail adress...
HTH
Frenchy
CRS
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Posted: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 09:38 AM UTC
Well I guess it can, I just never saw one do it. :-) 
http://www.chinook-helicopter.com/history/aircraft/argentina/AE-520_1.jpg
http://www.chinook-helicopter.com/history/aircraft/argentina/AE-520_1.jpg 
kkeefe
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Posted: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 09:50 AM UTC
That pic that Frenchy is referring to is of a Chinook (probably an "A") dragging an 113 out of a bog. Not actually lifting it completely.
Vietnam Era...
CH-47A Maximum External Load: 13,000 lbs.
M113A0 Empty Weight: 20,310 lbs.
M113A1 Empty Weight: 21,474 lbs.
Current...
CH47D Maximum External Load: 26,000 lbs.
M113A3 Empty Weight: 23,575 lbs.
I don't know what model Chinook the Trump offering is/will be...
Vietnam Era...
CH-47A Maximum External Load: 13,000 lbs.
M113A0 Empty Weight: 20,310 lbs.
M113A1 Empty Weight: 21,474 lbs.
Current...
CH47D Maximum External Load: 26,000 lbs.
M113A3 Empty Weight: 23,575 lbs.
I don't know what model Chinook the Trump offering is/will be...
mother
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Posted: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 09:56 AM UTC
Hey leo,
The CH-47 cabin/cargo bay measures 30ft. x 8ft. x 6 1/2ft. It's long enough to carry two M551 jeeps, the standard tactical vehicle in use at the time of Vietnam.
The CH-47 cabin/cargo bay measures 30ft. x 8ft. x 6 1/2ft. It's long enough to carry two M551 jeeps, the standard tactical vehicle in use at the time of Vietnam.
mrvertrix
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Posted: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 10:22 AM UTC
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Vietnam Era...
CH-47A Maximum External Load: 13,000 lbs.
M113A0 Empty Weight: 20,310 lbs.
M113A1 Empty Weight: 21,474 lbs.
This goes back to my original post. Did the CH-47C see active use in vietnam? As I am told the Max hook capacity for the the CH-47C is 20,000 pounds. If so I was wondering if in a squeeze if they would have done anything like lift an M113A0?
If there is no record of it anywhere and no-one remembers it being done, then I wont bother with the APC, I'll stick to a couple of jeeps.
Thanks to everyone for their replies so far, I'm finding this whole thing fascinating.
Frenchy
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Posted: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 10:23 AM UTC
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. Not actually lifting it completely.
I never meant that. The verb " to retrieve" I use in my post is the one that is used in the picture's caption
Frenchy (thinking he should have been clearer...)
jazza
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Posted: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 10:40 AM UTC
Im not sure how reliable this site as its been brought up here a couple of times but i was under the impression that in Vietnam, Chinooks were lifting the M113s during deployment.
Beware, the site is not for 56kers
http://www.combatreform.com/m113combat.htm
Am pretty sure it wasnt dragging this one.
If the image doesnt show, click here
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Base/1374/m113chinook.jpg
Beware, the site is not for 56kers
http://www.combatreform.com/m113combat.htm
Am pretty sure it wasnt dragging this one.
If the image doesnt show, click here
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Base/1374/m113chinook.jpg
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Posted: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 11:20 AM UTC
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This goes back to my original post. Did the CH-47C see active use in vietnam?
There was no "C" mentioned in your original posting, but...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinook_helicopter#CH-47C
There are all kinds of google finds on the Chinook's history and specifications.
Frenchy...
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I never meant that. The verb " to retrieve" I use in my post....
The "lifting" was in response to the original question...
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There appears to be a small window in histoery whereby it would have had the lifting capacity to carry a M113 APC on the external hook, but I'm not sure if this is true/possible/practical etc.
Jesus.
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Posted: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 12:50 PM UTC
Dont know if it will help....................got a good friend who was (until last year) senior F/chief on" Brit Snooks".......will see him at Telford show this w/end can ask if he has any info on pay-loads----he was "YO-YO"---here-there-during "SAND BOX" conflict until he finished---now works for RAF at a rather big establishment
They used to fly over my house ---with loads...on training flights---near Odiham Hants ...never took pics---wonder why????
Oh-those "Whirly-things"--eugh!!!!!" :-) :-) :-)
aye
BARV (GOSMG)
ps----"Snook "from Odiham at show in Arbroath Scotland
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Posted: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 01:08 PM UTC
Hi all,
Similar to everyone here, i am looking forward to a 1/35 Chinook, but it seems that the actual scale is in 1/32 as reported in ipms phillippines.
1/32 Chinook
Similar to everyone here, i am looking forward to a 1/35 Chinook, but it seems that the actual scale is in 1/32 as reported in ipms phillippines.
1/32 Chinook
tom
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Posted: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 01:43 PM UTC
Would there be any problems with the 1/35 figures and APV's if they were put into a DIO. Or would it look funny?
Happy Modeling
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Happy Modeling
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HeavyArty
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Posted: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 01:48 PM UTC
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Hi all,
Similar to everyone here, i am looking forward to a 1/35 Chinook, but it seems that the actual scale is in 1/32 as reported in ipms phillippines.
1/32 Chinook
IPMS Phillipines is wrong. It is 1/35 scale, just like all of Trumpeter's other large-scale helos. We have been following this one closely at FSM Helo forum. Can't wait for it to come out.
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Posted: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 10:20 PM UTC
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinook_helicopter#CH-47C
There are all kinds of google finds on the Chinook's history and specifications.
from the link...
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"The Chinook proved especially valuable in "Pipe Smoke" aircraft recovery missions. The "Hook" recovered about 12,000 aircraft valued at over $3 billion during the war.
Thanks kkeefe for that great resource. I,m now considering not using an APC but a downed UH-1C Huey, does that sound more realistic a scenario to anyone?
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Posted: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 10:46 PM UTC
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I,m now considering not using an APC but a downed UH-1C Huey, does that sound more realistic a scenario to anyone?
It sounds like a cool dio idea, just like in the picture below :
Good luck with your project
Frenchy
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Posted: Friday, November 18, 2005 - 07:17 AM UTC
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Quoted TextHi all,
Similar to everyone here, i am looking forward to a 1/35 Chinook, but it seems that the actual scale is in 1/32 as reported in ipms phillippines.
1/32 Chinook
IPMS Phillipines is wrong. It is 1/35 scale, just like all of Trumpeter's other large-scale helos. We have been following this one closely at FSM Helo forum. Can't wait for it to come out.
I was going to say... That would kind of be a bummer, since so many people are obviously planing 1/35 dios. I'm just wondering what Cobra Company is going to offer for it.
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HeavyArty
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Posted: Friday, November 18, 2005 - 08:18 AM UTC
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I'm just wondering what Cobra Company is going to offer for it.
No word from Chris "Chief Snake" Miller at Cobra Company yet. He has hinted that he is working on "a few sets" for it. They should be pretty good since he was a tech advisor to Dragon when this was their project, before selling it to Trump. I think he helped them out with it as well. Can't wait to see what he has to offer.
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Posted: Friday, November 18, 2005 - 08:18 AM UTC
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I'm now considering not using an APC but a downed UH-1C Huey, does that sound more realistic a scenario to anyone?
Very much so. Chinooks and Skycranes (see image below) regularly pulled destroyed Huey and Cobras. Not Vietnam, but I've even seen a -D Chinook lift an F-15 Eagle! More common external loads though were arty pieces (105s especially), jeeps, and sling load pallets.
CH-54 Skycrane
Go here for various lifts. Most of the images are of CH-47Cs and Ds, but the point still stands.
http://www.chinook-helicopter.com/sling_loads/Dead_Weight.html
Jeff
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