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Early Aviation
Discuss World War I and the early years of aviation thru 1934.
Fokker D.VII production.
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Posted: Monday, December 11, 2006 - 05:31 AM UTC
Gentlemen:
One of the frequent I get asked is, "how many Fokker D.VII were built?
The answer generally surprizes the questioner. From tracking serial number we can determine how many were built. Fokker received five orders toalling 996, and commpleted 931 D.VIIs.
Albatros received 5 orders totalling 1200 and most likely completed around 1160. OAW received five orders for 1300 and most likely completed 1260. Total Fok.D.VIIs ordered were 3496 and delivered about 3351. All three firms continued production after the Armistice to fill the Allied demand for 1700 Fok.D.VII machines in flying condition. It seems the German pilots were having a difficult time landing after the last flight.to the assigned Armee Flugpark collection staition. Collection stations were established at one of the Armee Flugpark (Army Air Park) within each Armee Gruppe.
So the Allies received mostly brand new Fok.D.VII machines. There were about 1033 Fok.D.VII machines in inventory with the Jagdstaffeln and Armee Flugparke at the front. This was far short of the Allied demand of 1700 Fok.D.VII machines in the terms of the Armistice.
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Dan-San
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Posted: Monday, December 11, 2006 - 10:39 AM UTC
Greetings all;

Here is a list Dan supplied to me a few years back.

Production serials of the Fok. D.VII
Fok.VII 227-229/18 prototypes, V.11 and two V.18 brought up to Fok.D.VII production standards.
Fok.D.VII 230 to 526/18.
Fok.D.VII(Alb) 527 to 926/18. (Alb.) Albatros built.
Fok.D.VII(OAW) 2000 to 2199/18. Ost Albatros Werke Built.
Fok.D.VII(OAW) 4000 to 4199/18.
Fok.D.VII 4250 to 4449/18. Some D.VIIF with BMW IIIa engines.
Fok.D.VII(OAW)4450 to 4649/18.
Fok.D.VII 5050 to 5149/18. Some D.VIIF machines.
Fok.D.VII(Alb) 5200 to 5599/18.
Fok.D.VII(OAW) 6300 to 6649/18.
Fok.D.VII(Alb) 6650 to 6899/18.
Fok.D.VII 7604 to 7805/18. some Fok.D.VIIF machines.
Fok.D.VII(OAW) 8300 to 8649/18. Delivered after the war
Fok.D.VII(Alb) 10050 to 10100/18. ?
Fok.D.VII10347 to 10300/18. 37 made, delivered after 11/11/18.
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Posted: Monday, December 11, 2006 - 04:14 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Fokker received five orders toalling 996, and commpleted 931 D.VIIs.




Hello, thanks for this information.
Does this number include the DVII's used by the Dutch airforce after 1918?

Greetings, Nico
Dan-San
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Posted: Monday, December 11, 2006 - 11:58 PM UTC
Nico;
After the war, Fokker moved to Holland, the Fok.D.VII machines he took to Holland were most likely the machines were purchased by the Dutch Air Service. You would have to compare Fokker work numbers to be absolutely correct.
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Dan-San
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The 1918 Armistice did not demand that Germany hand over1,700 D VIIs, Article IV required 1,700 combat aircraft to be surrendered and that it include all D VII and night-bombers. Only 700 of the aircraft given up were serviceable, the other 1,000 being write-offs. Only western front units were subjected to disarmament. Armistice conditions were easily bypassed. Aircraft were given civil registrations, combat aircraft were converted to communication and transport types or assigned to newly formed air police units. Aircraft production did not stop and new buyers for military equipment were found in newly formed countries such as Poland, Lithuania, Finland and Czechoslovakia. The Polish Air Force obtained about 50 Fokker D VIIs by various means. Six were captured during the Wielkopolska Uprising of 6th January 1919 at Ławica airfield and the Zeppelin sheds at Winiary. About another four were found after the seizure of the Ostrow Wielkopolski and Jarocin airfields. Numbers were supplemented with purchases from Germany, chiefly from the Albatros OAW factory based at Schneidemühl. OAW pilots became ‘lost’ and landed at Poznan where they received payment for their ‘delivery’ and then returned home by train. A document of the Allied inspection committee listing the aircraft sold by Germany after the Armistice states sixteen D VIIs were sold to Poland but does not include four bought earlier. After Pomerania was taken in January 1920, one D VII was found in Puck. Overhauled, it flew for a short time in Polish maritime aviation markings before being burnt in an act of German sabotage at Wrzeszcz airfield.

The signing of the Treaty of Versailles on 28th June 1919 placed more severe restrictions on Germany. Articles 198 and 201 forbade Germany from processing air forces on land or sea as well the manufacture or importing of aircraft. The allied inspection committee for aviation matters did not begin work until the 22nd February 1920 leaving Germany 15 months from the signing of the Armistice to freely trade and manufacture aircraft equipment. This period was used by Anthony Fokker to dispatch six trains to Holland with 350 wagon loads of equipment and unfinished sub-assemblies. This allowed him to open the Nederlandsche Vliegtuigen Fabriek in Amsterdam during August 1919 and begin legal production of aircraft. In 1932 Denmark obtained a license to build the C1 – multipurpose two-seater version built in Holland – the last still being in service in 1940.


From March 1918, Fokker D VIIs were built by Magyar Általános Gépgyár (MAG) in Budapest. A total of 50 were built by the end of 1919, several being two-seaters. They were used by the Hungarian Soviet Republic air forces in the war with Romania and Czechoslovakia. The Czechs captured one and used it for several years.
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A. On the western front
I. Cessation of hostilities on land and in the air six hours after the signature of the Armistice.

II. Immediate evacuation of the invaded countries: Belgium, France, Luxembourg, as well as Alsace-Lorraine, so ordered as to be completed within fifteen days from the signature of the Armistice. German troops which have not evacuated the above-mentioned territories within the period fixed will be made prisoners of war. Joint occupation by the Allied and the United States forces shall keep pace with evacuation in these areas. All movements of evacuation or occupation shall be regulated in accordance with a note (annex No. 1), drawn up at the time of signature of the Armistice.

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IV. Surrender in good condition by the German Armies of the following war material:
5,000 guns (2,500 heavy, 2,500 field).
25,000 machine guns.
3,000 trench mortars.
1,700 fighting and bombing aeroplanes-in the first place, all D7's and all night-bombing aeroplanes.

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XIII. Evacuation of German troops to begin at once, and all German instructors, prisoners and agents, civilian as well as military, now on the territory of Russia (as defined on August 1, 1914) to be recalled.

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Reparation for damage done.
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XXIII. The following German surface warships which shall be designated by the Allies and the United States of America, shall forthwith be disarmed and thereafter interned in neutral ports, or, failing them, Allied ports, to be designated by the Allies and the United States of America, and placed under the surveillance of the Allies and the United States of America, only caretakers being left on board, namely:
6 battle cruisers.
10 battleships.
8 light cruisers (including two minelayers).
50 destroyers of the most modern type.
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XXVII. All aerial forces are to be concentrated and immobilized in German bases to be specified by the Allies and the United States of America.

XXVIII. In evacuating the Belgian coasts and ports, Germany shall abandon, in situ and intact, the port material and material for inland waterways, also all merchant ships, tugs and lighters, all naval aircraft and air materials and stores, all arms and armaments and all stores and apparatus of all kinds.

XXIX. All Black Sea ports are to be evacuated by Germany; all Russian warships of all descriptions seized by Germany in the Black Sea are to be banded over to the Allies and the United States of America; all neutral merchant ships seized in the Black Sea are to be released; all warlike and other materials of all kinds seized in those ports are to be returned, and German materials as specified in Clause XXVIII are to be abandoned.

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F. Duration of the Armistice.

XXXIV. The duration of the Armistice is to be 36 days, with Option to extend. During this period, on failure of execution of any of the above clauses, the Armistice may be repudiated by one of the contracting parties on 48 hours' previous notice. It is understood that failure to execute Articles III and XVIII completely in the periods specified is not to give reason for a repudiation of the Armistice, save where such failure is due to malice aforethought.
To assure the execution of the present convention under the most favorable conditions, the principle of a permanent International Armistice Commission is recognized. This Commission shall act under the supreme authority of the High Command, military and naval, of the Allied Armies.
The present Armistice was signed on the 11th day of November 1918, at 5 o'clock A.M. (French time).

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Actually the terms specified first all (Fok.) D.7... airframes. The Armistice commission used the overall number 1700, but their ultimate goal was to retrieve all possible examples of the Fokker D.VII. The term "in the first place" meant specifically D.7 were to be chosen from. The separable verb in the original German copy of the text implied secondarily the night operations bombers. The armistice Did not specifiy if the airframes were or were not airworthy or flyable. They knew that the allied intelligence reports has revealled that the D.VII had become the standard high altitude operations fighter. Without trusting any inventory supplied by the Germans the allied commission demanded a general number of airframes but in that they wanted as many of the D.7 types as there were.
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