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HunterCottage
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Posted: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 03:52 AM UTC
The post of the Aussie Phantom got me thinking about all of the different a/c that have been created and then exported. I think it would be fun to model a few of these different multi-national uses, so I was thinking if all of you could pitch-in and help me by listing as many different a/c as possible that have been used by several countries.

I'll start out.

The P-51 Mustang used in the USA, UK and Sweden (there must be more)

The F-4 Phantom of course.

The F-104 Starfighter: USA, Germany, Italy +others

Mind gone blank...
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Posted: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 07:09 AM UTC
Brian

As far as the P-51 goes it served in various forms with the airforces of:

Argentina
Australia
Bolivia
Canada
China (believe it or not)
Costa Rica
Cuba
Dominican Republic
El Salvador
France
Guatemala
Haiti
Honduras
Indonesia
Israel
Italy
Netherlands
Nicaragua
New Zealand
Philippines
Somalia
South Africa
South Korea
Soviet Union
Sri Lanka
Sweden
Switzerland
Taiwan
United Kingdom
United States
Uruguay
Venezuela

Great topic by the way.

Darren
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Posted: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 10:31 AM UTC
F-18
F-14
F-16
Skyraider
Corsair
Corsair II
Crusader
Mosquito
PBY Catalina
TedMamere
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Posted: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 11:04 AM UTC
The Dakota and The Spitfire!
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Posted: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 02:49 PM UTC
They might not have met, But both the Finnishs and Soviet air forces had Hawker Hurricanes as well as Bristol Blenheims, presumably at the same time.

Could be nice topics for duels, don't you think.
HunterCottage
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Posted: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 03:01 PM UTC
Wow! I missed a few on the P-51 Thanks Darren!! It would be cool to do all of them...

But what about other non-US countries. I know the Mig was used by block countries, but also by Finland which is NATO.

Are there other countries than Israel that used the F-14? (I don't know the answer, a true question on my part)

After missing that the BAe Tornado was a swept wing a/c I've stopped thinking I knew a little... which also has been used by several countries (eventhough it was a co-op)

Thanks for the input!! All of these inputs could be very interesting indeed for dueling...

More, more, agh, agghh, I want more... :-)
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Posted: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 03:19 PM UTC
If you want really odd topics you could try to dig up the test-planes that Germany sent to Japan for evaluation. I know there should be at least one version each of Bf 109 and FW 190. Maybe a Bf 110 too.

And since you are swedish: I have seen (but lost the link) a picture of a P 35 Seversky, in mixed american and swedish markings, at the first battle of the Philipines. The second batch we should have got to Flygvapnet was rerouted to the pacific after Pearl Harbor, and sent into action on too short notice for full repaint.

And when we talk about P's. Don't forget Russian P 39's and P 40's, and Chinese P 36 Hawk, P 40 Tomahawk and P 66 (i think) Vengeance. Not to mention chinese Polikarpovs.
HunterCottage
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Posted: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 03:48 PM UTC
My late father was in the battle of/for Phillipines, that mixed a/c could be very interesting. Can you dig up the link, or is just to google??

Tack på förhand!! God Jul!!
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Posted: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 04:21 PM UTC
There are these additions to this growing list:

Avenger
B 17
B 24
Beaufighter
Blenhiem
Buffalo
Dauntless
Fiat Cr 42
Fiat G 50
Gladiator
Hudson
Hurricane
P 38
P 39
P 40
P 47
Ventura
Walrus
Wildcat/Marltet

Modern:

F 15
F 111
Tornado
BaE Hawk
Su 27



Just to name a few more

camogirl
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Posted: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 04:47 PM UTC
There is also the hawker hunter that has been used in several different countries:

Uk
Germany
Switzerland
Belgium
India
Chile
Somalia

Im certain there is more but these are all i can remeber off the top of my head
Tomcat31
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Posted: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 05:20 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Are there other countries than Israel that used the F-14? (I don't know the answer, a true question on my part)

It was Iran not Israel that had the export version of the F-14 and that is the only country to my knowledge that did.
HunterCottage
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Posted: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 06:50 PM UTC
Iran? There was another connection that I never thought of. Ok, Iran it is, I'll take your word for it.

Well I thought this list would be long, but alot longer than I thought. It almost seems like there isn't an a/c that hasn't been exported..

Thanks again! Please add more if you find the time...
CRS
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Posted: Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 02:14 AM UTC
Don't forget probably the most "exported" aircraft in history the Mig 15 and the Mig 21
Only in recent years overtaken by the F-16
LongKnife
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Posted: Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 11:52 AM UTC
Hi again Brian.

I tried to google the US/Swedish marked Seversky, but I didn't find it. I might have seen it in a book. It was a few years ago, so memories are a bit hazy.

Anyway, the pic was a real mugshot, taken almost from behind, at a mission take off, so it was hard to see anything in detail really.

About the F 14, the Shah of Iran bought a dozen or two, but deliveries were stopped when the Shah was overturned.
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Posted: Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 02:23 PM UTC
The Hawker Hunter, Starfighter, SAAB Draken, F-16, Spitfire were all used by the Royal Danish Airforce as well.
Tomcat31
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Posted: Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 03:26 PM UTC
Full Info on Iranian F-14's can be found here
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Posted: Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 06:38 PM UTC
The Seversky P 35's in Swedish Markings, were never delivered to wden due to Sanctions inposed by the US at the time.

The P 26 Pee Shooter is another that has been forgoten on this ever increasing list
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Posted: Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 10:36 PM UTC
From WWII, don't forget the

A-20
B-25
B-26

Potez 631
MB 406

Hs129
Ju87
Ju88

Pe-2

Pzl 11
Pzl 24

and I'm sure there are more that I don't know about or don't recall off the top of my head.
HunterCottage
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Posted: Saturday, December 16, 2006 - 02:59 AM UTC
Thank you all for your input! I thought this might get a lot of interest, but not this much!! Cool!!

I am thinking that it is probably better to ask what a/c wasn't exported!!!
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Posted: Monday, December 18, 2006 - 09:34 PM UTC
Here are some that have not been mentioned

Avro :-Lancaster,Lincoln,504

De havilland:-Vampire,Venom,Mosquito

Hawker:-Hurricane,Tempest,Sea Fury

English Electric:-Lightning,Canberra

Bristol:- Bulldog

Gloster:- Meteor
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Posted: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 12:47 AM UTC
Just as an exampel all the different aircrafts used by the Swedish Airforce:
Bristol Bulldog, Gloster Gladiator, Fiat CR.42, Reggiane Re2000, Ju86, Northrop 8-A1, Hawker Hart, Heinkel He114, Fi-156 Storch, Ju52, DeHavilland Tiger Moth, Caproni Ca313, P-51 Mustang, T-6 Texan, Catalina, DH Vampire, Hawker Hunter, DC-3, Avro Lancaster, Canberra, DH Mosquito, Spitfire, DH Venom, C-130.

This is just a few...

And you can turn the thing around and count Swedish made aircrafts that has been used by other countries:
Saab B-17, Saab J-29, Saab J-35, Saab JAS-39
HunterCottage
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Posted: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 03:21 AM UTC
The list as it stands (as far as I can see, don't know if I missed something)

Quite the impressive list I must say!!

P-51
F-4
F-104
F-18
F-14
F-16
Skyraider
Corsair
Corsair II
Crusader
Mosquito
PBY Catalina
The Dakota
The Spitfire
Hawker Hurricanes
Bristol Blenheims
Avenger
B 17
B 24
Beaufighter
Blenhiem
Buffalo
Dauntless
Fiat Cr 42
Fiat G 50
Gladiator
Hudson
Hurricane
P 38
P 39
P 40
P 47
Ventura
Walrus
Wildcat/Marltet
F 15
F 111
Tornado
BaE Hawk
Su 27
Mig 15
Mig 21
P 26 Pee Shooter
A-20
B-25
B-26
Potez 631
MB 406
Hs129
Ju87
Ju88
Pe-2
Pzl 11
Pzl 24
Avro :-Lancaster,Lincoln,504
De havilland:-Vampire,Venom,Mosquito
Hawker:-Hurricane,Tempest,Sea Fury
English Electric:-Lightning,Canberra
Bristol:- Bulldog
Gloster:- Meteor

Phil_H
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Posted: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 06:45 AM UTC
A few more:

Dassault Mirage III/VF1//2000, Ouragon, Mystere/Super Mystere, Super Étendard
Bristol Beaufort,
Me-109,
Convair F-102
Northrop F-5,
NA F-86, F-100
McDonnell F-101,
Douglas A-4,
Lockheed P-2 Neptune, P-3 Orion,
Grumman S-3 Tracker
Macchi MB-326
Fairey Firefly, Gannet,
BAe Harrier/Sea Harrier
Blackburn/HS Buccaneer
NA T-2 Buckeye
Republic F-84
Alpha Jet
LongKnife
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Posted: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 01:42 PM UTC
There are two apparent questions that comes out of this discussion.

1: What airplane has been used in the largest amount of different ariforces?

It feels like the DC 3, P 51, Phantom and one or two Dassault a/c are strong contenders here.

2: On how many occations have a pilot had to fight it out with the same type of aircraft he has flown.

For instance, when Sweden aquired the P 51 (J 26 in SwAF) it was first considered to be placed as interceptor in the south. But since we then risked meeting USAAF-P 51's, the Reggiane 2000 (J 26) was placed in the south instead. The P 51's was moved to the north to avoid misidentifications.
HunterCottage
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Posted: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 - 03:22 PM UTC
Thanks Phil for the additions!

Tony, great extention of the topic.

It brings up an intriguing complexity for air forces around the world. Maybe I'm wrong in my assumption, but it almost seems like this idea only was valid after WW2 since there was a migration to eastern and western blocks. With Russian built machines to the east and various machines to the west. Of course I am thinking freely here, I have no facts to back it up with!
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