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SS-74
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Posted: Friday, February 28, 2003 - 03:56 AM UTC
Okay here I am again, a treadhead in the hostile land of wingy thingy.....

As a dedication to my Good friends here whom are formal Marines, I decided to do a Marine 1/32 F4 Phantom in their honour. I rather do a ground attack one loaded with bombs, but so far I see the shop for the tamiya 1/32 Phantoms, there is one F4J which on the box art is loaded with AAM, but with Marine marking, and another F4 C/D loaded with bombs, but I think is an airforce marking (with camos), So my question is in that F4 C/D is there any Marine decals? if so, had F4 C/D used by the Marines?

And if I had to go with the J route, is there any bomb for 1/32? or is J configured for groud attack?

Thanks you evil people in the wingy thingy land.....
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Posted: Friday, February 28, 2003 - 04:07 AM UTC
Custom Aeronautical Miniatures makes a slew of aftermarket bombs, triple ejector racks and decals for 1/32 F-4J's, including at least one Marine option I know of (VMFA-333 'Shamrocks'). Meteor Productions also makes some great replacement Sidewinders that are more appropriate for Navy/Marine Phantoms than the 'winders provided in the F-4J kit.

Marine F-4J's carried bombs plenty of times.

The F-4C/D or the J would take some pretty major rework to make an F-4B or N, especially in the wing area.

Hope this helps
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Posted: Friday, February 28, 2003 - 05:06 PM UTC
Other than the CAM products and other aftermarket stuff, Tamiya did a special boxing of the 1/32 F-4J in Marine markings and with a ground attack loadout. Squadron Shop still list it on their website.
http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=TM60308
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Posted: Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 07:39 AM UTC
Hi Dave aka Davidus ArwenIsMineus Pig No. 2
As I said over on the RRB, nipped over to try and answer your question, however I know vertually bugger all about Phantoms. Mind you a marine Phantom does sound like a good idea :-)
Sorry I cant help.
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Posted: Sunday, March 16, 2003 - 12:17 AM UTC
SS, the Tamiya F-4J Limited edition Marine Phantom comes with Marine markings for 2 different groups. It also comes with 12 -500 lb bombs. I got a steal on a second kit, (the F-4C/D version and robbed the 12 -500 lb bombs from it. It was cheaper to get the second kit and have another plane to build verses the cost of the after market racks and bombs.
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Posted: Monday, March 17, 2003 - 03:49 AM UTC
SS:
Having had the pleasure of loading those hogs. The load would be all bombs for ground attack with MERS or even TERS on all the stations save the centerline one. That one usually had the droptank.
As for the AAM's depending on the mission or the area they where flying they would carry one on each of the outside racks for self defense purposes in case they ran into unfriendlies. So either way you decide to go would be correct.
Good luck with it and can't wait to see it.. and hope this helps
SS-74
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Posted: Monday, March 17, 2003 - 07:32 PM UTC

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SS:
Having had the pleasure of loading those hogs. The load would be all bombs for ground attack with MERS or even TERS on all the stations save the centerline one. That one usually had the droptank.
As for the AAM's depending on the mission or the area they where flying they would carry one on each of the outside racks for self defense purposes in case they ran into unfriendlies. So either way you decide to go would be correct.
Good luck with it and can't wait to see it.. and hope this helps



Thanks Warlock for the information. So for ground attack, no need to attach Sparrows?
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Posted: Monday, March 17, 2003 - 09:48 PM UTC
No SS:
Either configuration will be accurate, but if you use the MER TER confuration that would be hmmmmm if math is right.
Ters ='s 12 500lb gp bombs
Mers="s 24 500lb gp bombs
Just don't forget to put the safety pins in the racks or all that iron will be rolling around the taxiway. #:-)
If you need help with colors of fins or bombs themselve give a shout. I'll be her for ya
Can't wait to see her!!
SS-74
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Posted: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 04:16 PM UTC
Thanks Warlork for the offer of information. I indeed would love some pic of the MER or TER to see the wirings and the safety pin you talked about. They'll be great. Thanks! Mate.

Semper Fi! (Sorry I am using this motto though I am not a marine)
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Posted: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 - 11:04 PM UTC
Hey SS:
No problem thought that why we were here was to help. These two addresses are the best ones I could find for ya so I hope the help.
1. www.tpub.org/aviord321/102.htm (this should show a breakdown schematiic of the MER)

2.www.rwpinc.com/armament.htm (this should show real picturs of the rack and it's components)

As for the safety pins. the MER/TER had a hollow hex head that was under a little spring door for the safe and arm position. The only wiring that was showing after loading was the steel firing harnesses that screwed down on the breeches for the cads.
The only safety pins showing after loading where the ones on the parent racks. They were located in the middle of the rack with the "Remove before flight" Safety flags on them. These kept the racks inactive during pre-flight checks so the pilots or some other act of God from ejecting the MER/TER and all from the aircraft.
Sorry so wordy, but I hope this helps. Oh I'll just trow this one out there as an FYI for ya. The difference between the GP Bombs.
One yellow stripe on the nose ='s a slick skin
Two yellow stripes one the nose ='s thermal coated
Overall blue color or blue stripes (on any piece of ordnance) ='s inert
Again sorry so wordy,and now I really can't wait to see her finished

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