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Discuss World War I and the early years of aviation thru 1934.
Loss Of Innocence,Will It Ever Be The Same?
dolly15
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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 - 02:17 PM UTC

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Greetings John,
Leave the fellow one award. The Loss of innocence could apply to a flyer who was given an award but like some feels as if he should not have survived. The melancholy of survivor's guilt replacing the lost innocence would be more apparant.


I left a small one on the other side. Cheers! John.
dolly15
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Posted: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 - 01:50 AM UTC
Now that's one pair of skinny legs,a little weak on the rudder pedals I'd say.
When the viewer is standing at the front of the diorama this will be the view of the figure when looking towards the building's facade.He will be standing near the rear gate, having just got out of a model T truck or car that I will be building this winter as well.The landscaping and final assembly I will leave for next summer when I can again work outside.
The finished facade will be used as a backdrop for much picture taking over the winter.Airplanes ,cars, trucks etc.. but especially old classic cars and a gangster poster series I am planning.Should be fun!
dolly15
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Posted: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 07:39 AM UTC
dolly15
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Posted: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 11:11 AM UTC
Another pic
dolly15
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Posted: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 11:44 AM UTC
The above pic color is the closest to the facade's real color as it sits indoors.The next sunny day I"ll take it outside and see how it looks.I have started to weather this panel using dark grey and black pastels .I have also used an old toothbrush and sprayed a little very thin coat of raw umber acrylic over the whole facade to give it an older look.
dolly15
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Posted: Thursday, December 24, 2009 - 04:15 AM UTC
dolly15
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Posted: Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 11:53 AM UTC
dolly15
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Posted: Saturday, January 09, 2010 - 11:55 AM UTC
Whats wrong with this pic?
Notice on the jig where it says "Front", now take a look at where the engine is placed in the fuselage.Now look where the leading edge is,then the trailing edge.@#$#$$$$$^&*!@# You guessed it the engine is on backwards.Wow what a stupid mistake!!!!!!!It is so easy to lose the big picture when you get too involved in the details.Somehow between Oct 19 and 21 I had a major brain fart of some kind and only discovered it today when I went back to work on the airplane.
Of course everything has been glued in place but luckily I think that the engine mount will be OK where it is, because if it was also involved I would pretty much have to start over again.
dolly15
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Posted: Sunday, January 10, 2010 - 10:00 AM UTC
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Posted: Sunday, January 10, 2010 - 04:29 PM UTC
Hey John. . .on the engine thing. If you don't tell I won't!
dolly15
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Posted: Monday, January 11, 2010 - 02:20 AM UTC
Thank goodness for "Uncure" and the fact that I didn't use epoxy!
The fix was easier than I thought that it would be and I am just happy I discovered it now and not after the wheels and other stuff were on.
This picture gives you an idea of where the major components should be when the flier is completed.(I better keep this pic near the workbench)
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dolly15
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Posted: Monday, January 11, 2010 - 02:24 AM UTC

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Hey John. . .on the engine thing. If you don't tell I won't!


It is the only way to turn a negative into a positive,I hope others can learn from my mistakes.
Thanks again for your wonderful gift,it will be used in the diorama.Cheers! John.
dolly15
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Posted: Monday, January 11, 2010 - 11:58 AM UTC
I put the flier on its wheels and it looked like it was sitting too high on its rear wheels.I lowered the rear U/C legs by about 5cm and now the engine bearer ,rad and angle of attack of the wings, relative to the ground ,looks about normal.I checked out my references and the legs seem to vary in length depending on the type.In fact the whole undercarriage arrangement seems differ from type to type.
To permanently set the flier on its wheels will probably be my next best step. This will involve redesigning the jig to hold things square while I build the rest .It is finally starting to look like an airplane.
dolly15
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Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 - 04:47 AM UTC
dolly15
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Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 - 04:52 AM UTC
I lowered the rear wheels and permanently fixed them to the fuselage.I fashioned a prop of about the correct dimensions(working from pics) and discovered that because the engine mount does not sit exactly in the center of the support tubes that the prop will not clear the upper trailing edge properly.Therefore I cut back the trailing edge by one rib on the top wing only.This mod will also give me lots of room for the bamboo tail fittings where they join the wing.
One of the great things about this build is that I can stop whenever I want and it will still look like an aircraft under construction.A lot of this is a judgment call.
Should or should I not put on a prop? at first I thought that he would not have left such a valuable item out in the open exposed to the elements.Probably not,but with the flier it is almost necessary to show it so the viewer can figure out the configuration(a pusher with the seat up front and the prop in the back)
The flight controls on the other hand are optional , they probably would be safely stowed away even if they where built at this stage ,which I doubt.The original pic of the backyard flier in Chicago confirms what I suspected.The builder would want his flier to look like an airplane as soon as possible.Get the wings on, get it on its wheels,put on the tail assembly and have something to look at and of course keep the neighbors from laughing too hard.
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Posted: Thursday, January 14, 2010 - 04:50 AM UTC
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Posted: Thursday, January 14, 2010 - 07:15 AM UTC

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The above pic color is the closest to the facade's real color as it sits indoors.The next sunny day I"ll take it outside and see how it looks.I have started to weather this panel using dark grey and black pastels .I have also used an old toothbrush and sprayed a little very thin coat of raw umber acrylic over the whole facade to give it an older look.


I have been following this with interest as it is so 'out of the norm' for a diorama, and brings to the fore many different techniques and disciplines, all of which you have seemed to master. One thing I noticed on the close ups, and this isn't criticism is a lack of hinges on the doors. I can only imagine in 19th century row houses they would have used those big triangular strap hinges. I remember my gramma's old house, built in 1907, the screen door had a wire with turnbuckle running diagonaliwise to support the door.
dolly15
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Posted: Thursday, January 14, 2010 - 07:58 AM UTC
Except for painting and weathering the U/C is finished.The prop is only temporary and needs further shaping and painting or dark staining.The wood grain is way out of scale and the design is questionable but everything was experimental in those days,I guess.
I have been thinking about how to put the flier in the diorama's backyard.There will be a lot of weathering and landscaping to do under the wings an around the undercarriage.The flier has been sitting in the yard for a few years and in that amount of time things can change a lot.
My plan is to secure the flier on a thin piece of plywood,just enough to cover the perimeter of the airplane.Finish the plywood and airplane as one piece,landscaping,weathering and all and then add it to the backyard.When the backyard itself is landscaped then I can blend the two pieces of plywood together to form an invisible joint.
dolly15
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Posted: Thursday, January 14, 2010 - 12:10 PM UTC
Mgunns
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Posted: Friday, January 15, 2010 - 07:50 AM UTC
The prop really looks good.
dolly15
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Posted: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 - 04:53 AM UTC
dolly15
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Posted: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 - 05:12 AM UTC
Fuselage/tail assembly.
I modified the jig by cutting off the bottom portion but still leaving the upper for protection for the wings.I then hot glue melted the wheels to a building board.(the glue is easily removed later by re-heating it).
The building board is exactly the width of the tail booms.I could have made a separate jig for the tail assembly but I thought that it would be more fun to build it like the original must have been done.
I know Curtiss used bamboo but others also used ash wood for these booms and spruce for the struts.I will use ash(basswood) for these due to the difficult of representing the growth rings on the bamboo which would hardly be seen at scale distance anyway.
The measurements I used for the tail assembly are from the Aeronautics publication May-June 1912,page 161.
dolly15
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Posted: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 03:32 AM UTC
dolly15
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Posted: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 01:38 PM UTC
Another pic
dolly15
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Posted: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 02:35 PM UTC
I cut down the tail jig to the center of the rod so that the tail can easily be removed at any time.The rubber bands hold everything down and keeps it all square until I can make up fittings for the tail boom.The horizontal rod at the tail has been embedded into the tail spar .It will then be sandwiched between the another spar of the same size to create the hinge line between the horizontal stab and the elevator.I don't want to create it as one piece so that I can place the elevator at an angle to the stab which will look more natural.
All four tail booms are attached to this spar, the top two have finished fittings at the upper wing and now must be cut to length and rear fittings applied.I then will repeat the whole procedure for the bottom tail booms.
I am designing this stuff as I go along from pictures that you will find on my photobucket site.Slow but fun!I hope that there are not too many surprises down the road.

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