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Discuss World War I and the early years of aviation thru 1934.
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Loss Of Innocence,Will It Ever Be The Same?
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Posted: Friday, August 06, 2010 - 12:51 PM UTC
I try to decorate each window a little differently in order to add a little variety.When I find a drapery fold I like I will spray it with a little lacquer from behind to set in permanently in that position.I plan to build the framework behind and add a little soft lighting,nothing fancy maybe just a few Christmas bulbs.Colored bulbs could be used to reflect the color of each room.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 11:31 PM UTC
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Posted: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 - 11:38 PM UTC
nother pic
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Posted: Thursday, August 12, 2010 - 11:49 AM UTC
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Posted: Friday, August 13, 2010 - 02:18 PM UTC
nother pic
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Posted: Saturday, August 14, 2010 - 12:38 AM UTC
I hate 1:1 scale carpentry and actually am quite lousy at it.I will be glad to get this over with and get back to real modeling.I just don't know how the RR guys do it with all their complicated layouts and such.I have saved the worst for last,figuring out how the roof lines will meet in the corner.I will do it in foam board first and use it as a pattern for the plywood roof.
The framework for the facades is just about finished and I can start adding the 1/4" plywood.The frame is very strong as it is ,so the plywood will be there mostly just to cover in the area.The back will be 2 pieces, screwed on for easy access to the lighting etc....A small hinged door is also an option for bulb changes.
The framework for the facades is just about finished and I can start adding the 1/4" plywood.The frame is very strong as it is ,so the plywood will be there mostly just to cover in the area.The back will be 2 pieces, screwed on for easy access to the lighting etc....A small hinged door is also an option for bulb changes.
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Posted: Monday, August 16, 2010 - 12:43 PM UTC
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Posted: Saturday, August 21, 2010 - 06:22 AM UTC
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Posted: Monday, August 23, 2010 - 01:31 AM UTC
Got the framing sealer on.I use lacquer outside in the summer only, but I still managed to get a little high on the fumes,Wicked stuff!
Now it is on to finishing the roof.I think that I will use tar paper and wood battens similar to what I have done in the past.
Originally I was planning for the roof to be part of the frame but because it takes up so much visual space now I think that it should be part of the piece.
Nothing too fancy though like a shingled roof,mine will be plain tar paper and battens.why? because the black tar paper will downplay the area and the 45deg battens will help steer the viewers eye down to the main subject matter.
I hope!
Now it is on to finishing the roof.I think that I will use tar paper and wood battens similar to what I have done in the past.
Originally I was planning for the roof to be part of the frame but because it takes up so much visual space now I think that it should be part of the piece.
Nothing too fancy though like a shingled roof,mine will be plain tar paper and battens.why? because the black tar paper will downplay the area and the 45deg battens will help steer the viewers eye down to the main subject matter.
I hope!
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Posted: Monday, August 23, 2010 - 01:40 AM UTC
After 10 years of WW1 aircraft dioramas I have decided that it is time to move on to something new.I have played this string out far enough and before I just start to repeat myself and my stuff gets boring I would like to get on to something new.Yes,I am still working on the Bleriot/Peregrine piece but I will need some outside help to do the structure like the stone base and the large hoop.Once I can firm this up ,I probably will start it next summer.In the meantime I will be finishing up the Backyard Flyer piece and researching something new.
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Posted: Monday, August 23, 2010 - 01:44 AM UTC
I want to make a movie set diorama in 1/24 scale.Not just any movie set but the opening scene from the film "Once Upon A Time In The West" by Sergio Leone.This will be a kit-bashed/scratch project like what I have done up until now but with a big change in subject matter.
Why? for over sixty years I have been interested in the mythology of the "old west".As a child I played a lot with trains and went to movies on Saturday only to come home and play "cowboy" with my buds or re-create what I had seen using my model trains.At 70 I plan to re-visit my childhood and play with trains again.
My next diorama will be my personal tribute to the great director Sergio Leone and my favorite film.I want to re-create a simple movie set, no figures just the locomotive and station,and an empty directors chair with Sergio written on the back.I have been playing with the idea of using sound and music from the movie, as well as a dedicated DVD running the opening scene of the film.Should be loads of fun!
I will of course still be posting here in the future but maybe not quite as often and with things that are only common to both genres like scratch building structures ,furniture and tools etc....In the meantime it is on to finishing the Backyard Flyer.
Why? for over sixty years I have been interested in the mythology of the "old west".As a child I played a lot with trains and went to movies on Saturday only to come home and play "cowboy" with my buds or re-create what I had seen using my model trains.At 70 I plan to re-visit my childhood and play with trains again.
My next diorama will be my personal tribute to the great director Sergio Leone and my favorite film.I want to re-create a simple movie set, no figures just the locomotive and station,and an empty directors chair with Sergio written on the back.I have been playing with the idea of using sound and music from the movie, as well as a dedicated DVD running the opening scene of the film.Should be loads of fun!
I will of course still be posting here in the future but maybe not quite as often and with things that are only common to both genres like scratch building structures ,furniture and tools etc....In the meantime it is on to finishing the Backyard Flyer.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - 08:43 AM UTC
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Posted: Thursday, August 26, 2010 - 12:29 AM UTC
It is now time to frame up the facades interior .Because some of the windows are covered with see through shades ,a backdrop color will have to be chosen for each room.This area will be lighted probably using Christmas light bulbs.I could use colored bulbs but when they change them I will lose the control of the color used.
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Posted: Sunday, August 29, 2010 - 01:32 AM UTC
While waiting for the museum to visit me with their technical director I have been doing some experimenting using plastic in 1/24 scale .So far so good ! the plastic I am working with carves easily with hand and power tools when run at low speed.I am doing this in totally different subject matter than airplanes working with thicker plastic before I ever tackle a thin skinned airplane.Kit bashing plastic is relatively new to me so I am starting in mixed media primarily wood and plastic with a little metal thrown in.
Due to government priorities they have delayed their trip here until the 3rd week in Sept.Once they tell me how they want to display them I can finish up the first three in a couple of weeks.Most of the summer work on the Backyard Flyer is done, sanding ,lacquering etc.. I now need about one winter indoors to finish it.
In the meantime there is lots of new stuff to learn modeling plastic.
Due to government priorities they have delayed their trip here until the 3rd week in Sept.Once they tell me how they want to display them I can finish up the first three in a couple of weeks.Most of the summer work on the Backyard Flyer is done, sanding ,lacquering etc.. I now need about one winter indoors to finish it.
In the meantime there is lots of new stuff to learn modeling plastic.
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Posted: Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 01:34 AM UTC
At present I am learning about plastic using large scale kits and doing a lot of scratchin' and bashin'.At the same time I am posting a lot of stuff that I have posted here in the past like painting techniques etc...Those pages are now lost in this already too long thread.I thought that with a little editing, what I am posting there could also be used here to refresh this thread a bit, until I get a chance to organize all this into an online book format somewhere down the line.
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Posted: Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 02:05 AM UTC
Weathering wood,everybody seems to have a different method here is mine.
The woods I generally use for model making are basswood,pine , birch tongue depressors and various sizes of coffee stir stiks.I have collected various widths and thicknesses till now.They are very strong and the raw wood has only been highly polished.
I like the barnsiding look and this is the way I do it.
Mix up a thin wash of paint using flat acrylics. Why flat acrylics ? because there is no varnish in them, to make the paint shine and who wants shiny barnsiding.For this wash I use Nimbus Grey with a touch of Raw Umber added plus lots of water.I brush this on the wood letting it soak into the raw wood.Do not use a sealer at any time during this process.After 2 or 3 thin coats you should have a nice gray with some of the wood grain showing through.You want to take advantage of the transparency of acrylics for this technique.When happy let the wood dry or use a hair dryer to speed up the process.This wood is now ready for use and should have an aged look about it. To be cont....
The woods I generally use for model making are basswood,pine , birch tongue depressors and various sizes of coffee stir stiks.I have collected various widths and thicknesses till now.They are very strong and the raw wood has only been highly polished.
I like the barnsiding look and this is the way I do it.
Mix up a thin wash of paint using flat acrylics. Why flat acrylics ? because there is no varnish in them, to make the paint shine and who wants shiny barnsiding.For this wash I use Nimbus Grey with a touch of Raw Umber added plus lots of water.I brush this on the wood letting it soak into the raw wood.Do not use a sealer at any time during this process.After 2 or 3 thin coats you should have a nice gray with some of the wood grain showing through.You want to take advantage of the transparency of acrylics for this technique.When happy let the wood dry or use a hair dryer to speed up the process.This wood is now ready for use and should have an aged look about it. To be cont....
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Posted: Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 02:16 AM UTC
......because of its transparency it is necessary to hand select each piece of wood used for color,grain,unwanted out of scale imperfections etc.....
OK so now we have a lot of stained wood of various wood tones and grays.Now we will have to decide whether or not to take the weathering process a little farther at this point or not.If you will always have easy access to the wood like on the outside of a shack wall ,go ahead and use it as is, but if it is inside in a confined area you can take it a few steps further at this time.
(With this method no airbrushing is required and the methodology is very forgiving of mistakes.)
Get an old toothbrush with stiff fine bristles,then mix up a very thin wash of raw umber and water.Raw umber is best for this step as it makes for a nice representation of mud flecks,fly sh.t etc...Dunk your toothbrush in the mix and flick off most of the contents onto a sheet of paper with your thumb.When you get down to a very fine spray then flick it on your work ,either board by board or section by section that you are working on.If you have prepared your boards properly it with instantly sink into the wood and dry very quickly.Keep doing this until you are satisfied ,and remember some boards that are close to the ground may require a gradual change in intensity top to bottom.Later some may even require a little mossy green were they come in contact with the ground.
to be cont.......
OK so now we have a lot of stained wood of various wood tones and grays.Now we will have to decide whether or not to take the weathering process a little farther at this point or not.If you will always have easy access to the wood like on the outside of a shack wall ,go ahead and use it as is, but if it is inside in a confined area you can take it a few steps further at this time.
(With this method no airbrushing is required and the methodology is very forgiving of mistakes.)
Get an old toothbrush with stiff fine bristles,then mix up a very thin wash of raw umber and water.Raw umber is best for this step as it makes for a nice representation of mud flecks,fly sh.t etc...Dunk your toothbrush in the mix and flick off most of the contents onto a sheet of paper with your thumb.When you get down to a very fine spray then flick it on your work ,either board by board or section by section that you are working on.If you have prepared your boards properly it with instantly sink into the wood and dry very quickly.Keep doing this until you are satisfied ,and remember some boards that are close to the ground may require a gradual change in intensity top to bottom.Later some may even require a little mossy green were they come in contact with the ground.
to be cont.......
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Posted: Friday, September 03, 2010 - 04:29 AM UTC
......On the areas where you may only have restricted access to later on, you may want to do some of the detail now such as dents, nicks, scratches,putting up old of new signs,making rusty nails and nail holes and pre-shading with chalk pastels.
With the use of pastels on dry unfinished rough wood, this is where my method is a little different than most.On most surfaces chalk pastels will easily rub off but on rough wood surfaces they are quite permanent as is, with no fixative required.Remember I am doing a diorama here, so it is just to look at.If I was using the same method on shiny plastic that is meant to be handled,I would roughen up the surface to get a little tooth in it before applying the pastels and then use a pastel spray fixative over that.I will mark that on my list for further experimentation.
For now lets just deal with the barn siding look.OK so now we have this gray transparent surface with a little wood color and grain showing through.Perfect! Lets add some nail holes and rusty nails which is common with most old wood.Find a pattern that you like or just put a few here and there but remember you are probably( in real life )nailing into joists or studs which will create its own pattern.Rather than have a whole bunch of old boards with a straight line of nails running across them which is boring,you may want to create a different pattern.I often use a kind of zig-zag pattern to avoid this.......to be continued(the doorbell is ringing!)
With the use of pastels on dry unfinished rough wood, this is where my method is a little different than most.On most surfaces chalk pastels will easily rub off but on rough wood surfaces they are quite permanent as is, with no fixative required.Remember I am doing a diorama here, so it is just to look at.If I was using the same method on shiny plastic that is meant to be handled,I would roughen up the surface to get a little tooth in it before applying the pastels and then use a pastel spray fixative over that.I will mark that on my list for further experimentation.
For now lets just deal with the barn siding look.OK so now we have this gray transparent surface with a little wood color and grain showing through.Perfect! Lets add some nail holes and rusty nails which is common with most old wood.Find a pattern that you like or just put a few here and there but remember you are probably( in real life )nailing into joists or studs which will create its own pattern.Rather than have a whole bunch of old boards with a straight line of nails running across them which is boring,you may want to create a different pattern.I often use a kind of zig-zag pattern to avoid this.......to be continued(the doorbell is ringing!)
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Posted: Sunday, September 05, 2010 - 12:10 PM UTC
The wood siding that I put on the model today was treated with a couple of washes of the gray mix.Some edges were left broken on the ends. Remember old breaks can be aged too but new breaks should show a change in color back to the original wood.
I then took a sharp needle and added some nail holes not in a pattern but not just randomly either. Then I took a sharp HB pencil and added a little graphite to each hole to make it look like a nailhead.Later when finishing the weathering I will add a drop of water to each hole which will swell the hole back level again but leaving behind something that looks like nails.I will then add some rust and have it running into and down the wood.The whole thing will be softened using pastels which are put on last after all the handing is over but that is still a long way down the road.
I then took a sharp needle and added some nail holes not in a pattern but not just randomly either. Then I took a sharp HB pencil and added a little graphite to each hole to make it look like a nailhead.Later when finishing the weathering I will add a drop of water to each hole which will swell the hole back level again but leaving behind something that looks like nails.I will then add some rust and have it running into and down the wood.The whole thing will be softened using pastels which are put on last after all the handing is over but that is still a long way down the road.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 - 12:48 PM UTC
On creating old wood.
I almost finished the interior ceiling ,the only thing left will be to do some shading with pastels after the sides are finished.I used some long thin coffee stir stiks and painted on some very thin nimbus gray /raw umber mix (95% gray,5% raw umber).I then glued them on with carpenters glue to the underlying cardboard roof that was pre-painted burnt umber .I left the boards really rough and warped for the aged look.When dry I took a pin and created holes in the wood in a random fashion, as though somebody had quickly nailed them up there at some point in the cars history ,for insulation purposes.I then used a ordinary HB pencil and twisted some graphite into each hole to represent a nail head.With a small brush I then took some very thin raw umber and put a small drop on each pin hole to swell the wood level again and add a little color.Next I mixed up a very thin wash of raw umber and with a stiff bristle tooth brush I flicked on some of this onto the ceiling.You could also have handy a thin wash of the gray and flick this on if things get too brownish.The trick here is knowing when to quit and not cover all of the underlying wood grain.
The next couple of steps require that you be subtle in your work and don't over do it.Take a thin burnt sienna wash and with a very small round brush randomly put drops onto the nails to represent varying degrees of rust.Rust you say!! in the desert? Well like I said earlier this car only ended up here.
Let it dry ,and then you can come back with another small brush and soften the rusty edges using a little burnt sienna chalk pastel.Also the ends of the boards tend to soak up a little color too.Now stand back a take a look If your not happy with the look you can always come back and flick on some more gray or raw umber if you want more color or to slightly change a shade.Here again you can play with this all day if you want.Have fun! The pics in my photobucket covers each of the steps involved.
I almost finished the interior ceiling ,the only thing left will be to do some shading with pastels after the sides are finished.I used some long thin coffee stir stiks and painted on some very thin nimbus gray /raw umber mix (95% gray,5% raw umber).I then glued them on with carpenters glue to the underlying cardboard roof that was pre-painted burnt umber .I left the boards really rough and warped for the aged look.When dry I took a pin and created holes in the wood in a random fashion, as though somebody had quickly nailed them up there at some point in the cars history ,for insulation purposes.I then used a ordinary HB pencil and twisted some graphite into each hole to represent a nail head.With a small brush I then took some very thin raw umber and put a small drop on each pin hole to swell the wood level again and add a little color.Next I mixed up a very thin wash of raw umber and with a stiff bristle tooth brush I flicked on some of this onto the ceiling.You could also have handy a thin wash of the gray and flick this on if things get too brownish.The trick here is knowing when to quit and not cover all of the underlying wood grain.
The next couple of steps require that you be subtle in your work and don't over do it.Take a thin burnt sienna wash and with a very small round brush randomly put drops onto the nails to represent varying degrees of rust.Rust you say!! in the desert? Well like I said earlier this car only ended up here.
Let it dry ,and then you can come back with another small brush and soften the rusty edges using a little burnt sienna chalk pastel.Also the ends of the boards tend to soak up a little color too.Now stand back a take a look If your not happy with the look you can always come back and flick on some more gray or raw umber if you want more color or to slightly change a shade.Here again you can play with this all day if you want.Have fun! The pics in my photobucket covers each of the steps involved.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 01:32 PM UTC
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Posted: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 01:38 PM UTC
Here we are getting close to the finished product.I added a little shading using black pastel applied very lightly with a small soft brush(kind of a miniature make up brush).Try to be very subtle about this ,try not to overdo it.
If you blow up the picture(all my pics are 2 megs at least) you will see that the underlying wood grain is still there which is most important for this technique.Each piece of wood retains its individual pattern and color ,no two are alike.
If you blow up the picture(all my pics are 2 megs at least) you will see that the underlying wood grain is still there which is most important for this technique.Each piece of wood retains its individual pattern and color ,no two are alike.
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Posted: Saturday, September 11, 2010 - 01:17 AM UTC
You know the modern dioramist (word?) is soo lucky ! I am surprised that more of us haven't really used all the tools available to us for research and especially for visual playin' around.Sitting here at my computer I have available to me, in my own home,all the possible visual reference I could ever want.I can scan for the minutest detail and teach myself things that only a few short years ago you would have to go to film school for and even then it would be filtered through a teacher who has his own biases.
This is really the golden age for visual artists who want to take advantage of all the tools now available to them.
I never in my wildest dreams thought that this level of research was possible until just recently.When I was a kid going to the Saturday movies, my buds and I would come home and act out what we saw in the movies.Endless hours of childhood arguments over who did what or how, can now be solved instantly.
This may or may not be a good thing for our childhood imaginations but now at least we can get on with playing the game.
This is really the golden age for visual artists who want to take advantage of all the tools now available to them.
I never in my wildest dreams thought that this level of research was possible until just recently.When I was a kid going to the Saturday movies, my buds and I would come home and act out what we saw in the movies.Endless hours of childhood arguments over who did what or how, can now be solved instantly.
This may or may not be a good thing for our childhood imaginations but now at least we can get on with playing the game.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 - 02:45 AM UTC
You know it is funny how it goes with art. I started off wanting to do and learn about everything.Take figures for example,I wanted to learn how to do them as I thought at the time, that they really completed a diorama.Normally this is true ,they add a sense of scale and life to the scene.In my work I only used them in relaxed positions,standing talking in groups for example.No action not even walking as I felt that it broke the illusion of "a moment in time."My first diorama had three figures,the next five,after that too many for the fourth diorama, then it was back to one, and now none.
A lot of artists are the same from what I see around me.In the beginning they want to prove that they can master the techniques,then having done that they want to experiment with their own ideas and a lot of the time it is about minimizing things to the point where you can get say what you have to say as simply as possible.
Some artists minimize a whole aspect of their art and tell an even more powerful story by letting the viewers imagination fill in the blanks. Making a film with 15 pages of dialogue in a 3 hour piece is a wonderful example of this.When you do it right it can become a masterpiece !
A lot of artists are the same from what I see around me.In the beginning they want to prove that they can master the techniques,then having done that they want to experiment with their own ideas and a lot of the time it is about minimizing things to the point where you can get say what you have to say as simply as possible.
Some artists minimize a whole aspect of their art and tell an even more powerful story by letting the viewers imagination fill in the blanks. Making a film with 15 pages of dialogue in a 3 hour piece is a wonderful example of this.When you do it right it can become a masterpiece !
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Posted: Thursday, September 16, 2010 - 08:15 AM UTC
The aviation museum called and they will be picking up their stuff within the next month. I am not expecting a lot to do to finish their first three dioramas.The fourth aircraft and the train diorama will be worked on over the winter.I will however still be doing research on the train diorama and will post anything interesting in the meantime.