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Early Aviation
Discuss World War I and the early years of aviation thru 1934.
Tips and Methods for WWI aircraft
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Posted: Saturday, May 29, 2010 - 04:09 AM UTC
Over the past few years I have learned a great deal from the folks around here and get a lot of e-mails asking how I did this and how i did that . I do try to answer as many as I can , but this is starting to be very over whelming .

So the idea came to me while reading a topic and came up with this idea . In this thread here we all can share our methods on how we do our methods on WWI aircraft . We coould have this pinned so others are able to find it and add to it as well . I know we have a section for tips and such already , but this will cater to the WWI fans out there .

What do you guy's think ?
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Posted: Saturday, May 29, 2010 - 05:31 AM UTC
Great idea, Terri.
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Posted: Saturday, May 29, 2010 - 06:12 AM UTC
Excellent idea Teri,an encyclopedia that is constantly updated of modelling knowhow.Spurred on with each others originality and ideas,who knows what tomorrow will bring.
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Posted: Saturday, May 29, 2010 - 06:12 AM UTC
An outstanding idea.

Cheers,
Mike
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Posted: Saturday, May 29, 2010 - 04:13 PM UTC
Terri,
I believe that's an excellent idea.Perhaps something like permanent Sticky Notes were any member could post How To Tips.The idea of having all these tips in on place would certainly be convenient for everyone.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Posted: Saturday, May 29, 2010 - 07:16 PM UTC
NO! I think its a rubbish idea...Seriously of course its an excellent idea and I'm suprised there isnt one or more than one already stickied.

The only thing I might suggest is several covering the major topics instead of one huge one (it will get huge) to trawl through. ie: *Wood*, (surfaces grains laminates etc) *Linen*, (CDL shading techniques) *Rigging*, (Self explanatory but could show different methods for various scales) *Camo*, *Weathering/wear* ETC.

K
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Posted: Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 07:08 AM UTC
Sounds interesting.
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Posted: Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 04:26 PM UTC
Hi Guy's

Thanks for showing an interest in this idea .

Gregory , Keith ...that's what I'm thinking . One place where everyone can share their tips on WWI modeling . Lot's of new folks are getting into this and not just 32 scale . 48 scale as well as 72 scale is growing in popularity too .

The logistics will have to be hammered out , but there could be sub forums or threads on the different methods such as wood grain , CDL , Streaking on Fokker aircraft etc , etc , Topics on weathering WWI as well . I do think it would be a great aid towards this site and it's members . Just trying to give back to a site which has given me so much
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Posted: Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 06:00 PM UTC
Terri, don't forget rigging. It's keeping me out of bipes more than anything..
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Posted: Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 08:40 PM UTC
Great idea Terri!
I do agree with Keith on the subsection structure of the thread.
I do like to flip through the pages of a thread, but I tend to download and save in a world format what I like best for future needs and to speed up the consultation; so I'd like to have the possibility to download a manual-like booklet with the tips.
Of course this would mean a much greater work of editing, and I really don't know if it could be feasable at all... it is just a wish...
ciao
Edo
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Posted: Sunday, May 30, 2010 - 09:55 PM UTC
Terri,

This post I am going to follow closely, with the help and techniques that are in the heads of the distinguished builders here and can impart will greatly be appreciated.

Bob
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Posted: Monday, May 31, 2010 - 07:29 AM UTC
Hi Terri,

I agree with all of the above – this is a brilliant idea, Im sure we can all both learn and teach a lot from this thread.

Best Regards

Mikael
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Posted: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 - 02:34 AM UTC
WOW , didn't think that this would be popular with you guy's .

Stephen , can we get this thread pinned so it doesn't get lost in all the back post ?
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Posted: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 - 03:01 AM UTC
Great Idea Terri:

Not familiar with how this site works, but seems a link cold be placed under Early Aviation that could take the modeler to the site and then find the heading of the topic he/she wishes to check out and follow the techniques. Even linking some of the build blogs, i.e., Keith's great pre-shading on his SE.5a, Des' rigging, the tips are already there. A link to Des's site for further techniques.
We called it an All Source Fusion Center in the USMC, the same idea could be implemented here.
thegirl
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Posted: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 - 05:34 AM UTC

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Great Idea Terri:

Not familiar with how this site works, but seems a link cold be placed under Early Aviation that could take the modeler to the site and then find the heading of the topic he/she wishes to check out and follow the techniques. Even linking some of the build blogs, i.e., Keith's great pre-shading on his SE.5a, Des' rigging, the tips are already there. A link to Des's site for further techniques.
We called it an All Source Fusion Center in the USMC, the same idea could be implemented here.




Links are always a welcome to different build threads , this can be applied to features as well with diffent methods . Having it link to other area's throught out the site might aid as well .
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Posted: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 - 12:38 AM UTC
Ohh Sounds Comperflickated...

TY for the coomment on the SE5a Mark...I really should get on with that...riggerphobia had me stalled..I've no excuses now.
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Posted: Saturday, June 05, 2010 - 04:17 PM UTC
Greetings all;

I have been running this idea by an admin staffer and we were trying to brainstorm this idea with the current template format of the forum. Here is some of the conversation.


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" . . .The sticky thread is fine. Some of the ideas (like downloadable stuff) are too ambitious.

You can gather related stuff together into one thread - it just takes a lot of editing. Bryan did it with his canopies tips:. . ."



see here.

I have even done this to some degree with WNW GB,1:48 Fokker D.VII and 1:48 DH 2 threads. But as it is now the formatting won't support the subforums until Jim changes things.





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Posted: Friday, June 11, 2010 - 02:22 AM UTC

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TY for the coomment on the SE5a Mark...I really should get on with that...riggerphobia had me stalled..I've no excuses now.


Hi Keith: You are correct, no excuses. Your work and encouragement from the others on the list inspried me to finish mine, after I foolishly deformed the fuselage. You can do it Keith, would love to see the finished product.

Take care

Mark
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Posted: Friday, June 11, 2010 - 02:34 PM UTC
Terri, I just received the Vallejo paints that you suggested for wood grain. I find that the paint is thin out of the bottle, is it prudent to get their thinner or is there an alternative? At the moment I am just trying the paint out on some older models to see how they react to my heavy all thumb technique. So far I like how the paint color dries, just need to adjust from how I had used Tamiya paint.

Bob
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Posted: Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 01:40 AM UTC

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Terri, I just received the Vallejo paints that you suggested for wood grain. I find that the paint is thin out of the bottle, is it prudent to get their thinner or is there an alternative? At the moment I am just trying the paint out on some older models to see how they react to my heavy all thumb technique. So far I like how the paint color dries, just need to adjust from how I had used Tamiya paint.

Bob





Hi Bob I really don't use Tamiya thinner with Vallejo paints . I use Testors Model Master Acrylic thinner which is water base . Tamiya thinner is alcohol based
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Posted: Saturday, June 12, 2010 - 03:54 AM UTC
I have been using MEK as a thinner using Tamiya acrylics to good avail. It makes the paint stick to the plastic, seems to be impervious to oils. Naturally, I wear a respirator, but I find it to work well with acrylics and Testors MM paints as well.

Best
Mark
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Posted: Monday, July 05, 2010 - 04:22 PM UTC
Hello all,
Just a question. Would this tips forum be for tips that apply to early aviation moldels only? Or for a more general type of tip that could apply to early aviation but not necessarily exclusively so?

Mike the monkey wrench thrower.
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Posted: Monday, July 05, 2010 - 05:59 PM UTC

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Hello all,
Just a question. Would this tips forum be for tips that apply to early aviation models only? Or for a more general type of tip that could apply to early aviation but not necessarily exclusively so?

Mike the monkey wrench thrower.




Well Mike the monkey wrench thrower ........you missed !

All tips are more then welcome Mike . The goal for this tread is to aid everyone on becoming better modellers , sharing what we know with others while learning ourselves .
Growing and having fun making it a better community


So what you have ?
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Posted: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 - 04:53 PM UTC
But there is no use in putting topics &info on building a B 52 Hustler here. Just Early Aviation topics please.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 - 01:47 PM UTC
OK boys and girls, here is a method for finding the true length of landing gear legs from a set of three view plans.




Here is a very simplified set of plans showing the front and side views of our aeroplane, fuselage and landing gear only shown.




Here is the fun part. In the front view, draw a vertical line A-C that goes through the point where the landing gear strut meets the axle. Using a compass, draw an arc B-C with A as the center with the arc going through the point where the landing gear meets the fuselage and extending to the A-C line. Draw a horizontal line H-J that goes through the point where the arc crosses the vertical line. Extend this line H-J over to the side view. If the two views do not line up, measure the distance on the A-C line from A to where the arc crosses the A-C line. Transfer this distance to the side view vertically from the A point. On the side view draw two vertical lines D-E and F-G each line crossing the point where the landing gear attaches to the fuselage.




The two green lines show the true length of the landing gear struts. From A to the intersection of the H-J and the D-E line and from A to the intersection of the H-J and the F-G line.

If the landing gear does not attach the the fuselage at the same point when looking at the front view, do this little exercise for both the front and rear landing struts separately. Twice the fun.

There you have it. Simple and clear as mud pie.

With a little imagination you can use this same methiod for figuring the true length of booms for pusher aeroplanes and oddly canted interplane struts on the weird Austro-Hungarian planes.

A straight edge, a compass and a nimble mind is all you need for this amazing parlor trick.

Mike the modelbuilder in averagensus.
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