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Rogozarski IK-3 kits comparative preview
Damirr
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Posted: Sunday, April 08, 2012 - 04:14 AM UTC
Jean-Luc, you have done a great model. The only significant error is the wrong direction of propeller rotation (it should be clockwise).

The same error is present in very recent article about Azur-Frrom model in Wingmasters Journal:

http://wingmasters.histoireetcollections.com/images/articles/article_28255_1324484353.jpg

Unfortunately, this modeler have not fixed channel for a small cooler under the engine, or the angle of the windscreen... So, your model is much better.
Damirr
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Posted: Sunday, April 08, 2012 - 04:42 AM UTC
Ljuba Ilic:


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Yeah, you are probably right, i'll give up, with correcting any of these mentioned kits and will wait for Tamigawa or Trumpy to made an accurate one.

In meantime, will build it straight from the box, just for fun. They are good for any decent modeller, not obsessed with extreme accuracy. There is a lot of major league producers with bunch od Messerschmitts, Spitfires, Mustangs, full of shape, detail, geometry errors, and no one can say its a shame, modeling is a hobby, 1/72 kits are fairly cheap, so, why to bother with this .
Any kit have its flaws, so, if you are real "Man", you will cope or live with these errors.


It sounds very reasonable. I just remember your very first post here (first post of this topic):


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For a long time, this little fighter occupies my mind and i always want to build it for my collection. I could not say that kit of this rare plane is not available, but not an decent injection plastic kit is released, till now.


Have we got a decent kit?

BTW: this part gave me hope that you really intended to make a build review:


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Well , lack of relevant data does not allows me till today to start with comparative preview ( and hopefully, later, build review) of Rogozarski IK-3 injection moulded-plastic kits .


I'm curious about this:


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Currently, three kits are available on the market, AvUsk/Xotic , AZ-Models and AZUR-Frrom.
I bought one of each and few weeks ago, bought also latest issue of AIRMAGAZINE, No 50, where IK-3 is presented to last bolt, on 27 pages A4 (including 5 pages of 1/72 scale drawings and 5 pages of colour profiles)plus 3 pages of AZUR Frrom build review.


What I'm curious about? You bought as many as 3 models of the same aircraft type. Why did you bought all of them when you are modeler that "build it straight from the box, just for fun"? Was it worth the money...? It seems quite unreasonable to spend a lot of money for 3 different models of same aircraft type, and then to build only one of them "straight from the box, just for fun"...
TedMamere
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Posted: Sunday, April 08, 2012 - 08:31 PM UTC
Hi Damir,

Thank you for your kind words. Yes, the propeller is wrong. I didn't used the one in the kit which did turn in the wrong direction and was also the wrong shape. I used one from the spare box which I modified but unfortunately didn't turned in the right direction. It's hard to find a propeller which turns in the opposite direction than normal.

There are other less visible errors but from what I've read in the Air Magazine and Avions articles, the Classic Resin Airframes kit is probably the best base to get a decent IK-3. Let's hope that someone will do a nice injected plastic one in 1/48 scale in the future...

Jean-Luc
Damirr
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Posted: Sunday, April 08, 2012 - 08:44 PM UTC
Ljuba Ilic, there is another serious issue about You and this topic. Let me remind you what you wrote in another topic, about AZUR-Frrom's model, on Sunday, December 12, 2010:

https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/165373


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Hi Tim,
Nice review of such esoteric subject.
Have two of them and both builds without any trouble in nice model for my collection.


If I understood correctly what you have written, two years ago you finished two Azur-Frrom's Rogozarski Ik-3. Is it true? Would you post some photos of these models and explain us how did you do it "without any trouble"...? Im very curious about wrong spinner, propeller, canopy, under-nose cooler channel, wheels, vertical tail, guns etc.
Ljuba_Ilic
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Posted: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 - 02:40 AM UTC
Nice, really nice built model. Clean, subtle weathered, properly chosen paints, well done,
Congrats.
Ljuba_Ilic
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Posted: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 - 02:55 AM UTC

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Ljuba Ilic, there is another serious issue about You and this topic. Let me remind you what you wrote in another topic, about AZUR-Frrom's model, on Sunday, December 12, 2010:

https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/165373


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Hi Tim,
Nice review of such esoteric subject.
Have two of them and both builds without any trouble in nice model for my collection.


If I understood correctly what you have written, two years ago you finished two Azur-Frrom's Rogozarski Ik-3. Is it true? Would you post some photos of these models and explain us how did you do it "without any trouble"...? Im very curious about wrong spinner, propeller, canopy, under-nose cooler channel, wheels, vertical tail, guns etc.


Are you boring, Damir , and just need some chat to kill your time or what?
Leave me alone, i will build models ,post photos and write comments once i have time and want to do this, not by your schedule and your rules.
This is a hobby, not intended to be frustration or obsession, just pure fun, so, keep calm and carry on.
Damirr
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Posted: Friday, May 25, 2012 - 09:41 AM UTC
Ljubomir Ilic,

your words...


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Hi Tim,
Nice review of such esoteric subject.
Have two of them and both builds without any trouble in nice model for my collection.


https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/165373

So, you have lied that you had finished two Azur-Frrom's Rogozarski Ik-3 two years ago, "without any trouble"?


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i will build models ,post photos and write comments once i have time and want to do this, not by your schedule and your rules. This is a hobby, not intended to be frustration or obsession, just pure fun, so, keep calm and carry on.


I really doubt that this is a hobby for you, it looks more as a job, a task. Certain model to beat the competition. It is not a hobby and fun to write this kind of "comparative preview", is it?

How is possible to build your "winning model" in this "comparative preview" (AZUR-FRROM) "without any trouble"?
Ljuba_Ilic
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Posted: Friday, May 25, 2012 - 09:17 PM UTC
Nice try, Damirr...

Will post all the pics and comments once you present your comparative build of these two kits, AZ Models and Azur-Frrom from which you claim the pros and cons for both models.
Or you have build only AZ Models and AZUR kit you saw only on photo.

If you want to be serious reviewer, you should present us all the documentation, kits, references and builds.

I show my part of story, three kits on the workbench, where are yours?

Its your turn, now.

Have a nice weekend, Damirr.
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Posted: Saturday, May 26, 2012 - 08:38 AM UTC
Hi there

Let's keep a lid on any personal sniping - it'd be a shame to see a really interesting thread degenerate into a slanging match.

Somehow I managed to miss Jean-Luc's post of his 1:48 build - great job as usual, Jean-Luc! C[ }. Regardless of the propeller, that deserves a place among the Features.

All the best

Rowan
Damirr
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Posted: Friday, July 06, 2012 - 09:41 PM UTC
Hi Rowan,

You're absolutely right - modeling should be a joy, there should be no personal disagreements. Unfortunately, Ljubomir Ilic is not fair to all of us modelers. This same "comparative review" presented here was signed by Nenad Miklušev elswhere, by the same man who made the drawings on which this review is done!

http://mkns.ipmssrbija.com/?p=570


Simply put: the models AzurFrrom and AZ appeared on the market, then he ("Ljuba Ilic") drew the plans for the French magazine presented here, and then he (the same person) made ​​a "comparative review" on the basis of his own drawings! With an obvious tendency to pronounce the winner - AzurFrrom.

Unfortunately, such "advertising" leads to misleading the public. One example is a master modeler who presented his AzurFrrom model in the Wingmasters journal:

http://wingmasters.histoireetcollections.com/images/articles/article_28255_1324484353.jpg

He invested much effort, but unfortunately no one has informed him that the Ik-3 propeller rotates in the opposite direction than the Azur Fromm's one, no one informed him about the AzurFrrom's missing cooler under the engine, etc.

"Reviewer" Ljuba Ilic is not fair here. To help "his" model (AzurFrrom) to win, he doesn't write about the obvious errors of this model. With that, he mislead many modelers who read this. It would be nice if such "comparative review" would be no more.
Damirr
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Posted: Friday, July 06, 2012 - 09:58 PM UTC

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Nice try, Damirr...

Will post all the pics and comments once you present your comparative build of these two kits, AZ Models and Azur-Frrom from which you claim the pros and cons for both models.
...

I show my part of story, three kits on the workbench, where are yours?

Its your turn, now.


No Ljuba Ilic, it's not "my turn". I am not a writer of such "comparative reviews"... It's still your turn.

Your words, two years ago (December 13, 2010):


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Have two of them and both builds without any trouble in nice model for my collection.
Hapilly, yesterday bought the AZUR new issue, Ikarus IK-2 from same producer and find it even better than this IK-3.


https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/165373

It's your turn to explain us how did you make your "winner-model" (AzurrFrrom) "without any trouble in nice model for your collection" in year 2010. It really should not be on your workbench in the year 2012, if it was "without any trouble" in 2010... And to explain us why the "AZUR new issue, Ikarus IK-2 from same producer" you "find even better"...

Your job here is not fair, we (modelers) deserve better. Better than unfair advertising.
Ljuba_Ilic
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Posted: Sunday, July 08, 2012 - 04:07 AM UTC
Rowan ask for this and i will stay out of fruitless discussion and third party harassment .
If you have any question , you can reach me via PM.
Have a nice day,
Ljuba


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Hi there

Let's keep a lid on any personal sniping - it'd be a shame to see a really interesting thread degenerate into a slanging match.
All the best

Rowan
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