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EOW Nivelles 1918
GazzaS
#424
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Posted: Saturday, May 07, 2016 - 11:22 AM UTC
You really have made some great color schemes from B&W photos. I'd have been tempted to do that one with black fuselage and bubble field with white bands (black and white are Prussian colors) with lozenge wings from that photo.
JackFlash
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Posted: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 - 01:06 AM UTC
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You really have made some great color schemes from B&W photos. I'd have been tempted to do that one with black fuselage and bubble field with white bands (black and white are Prussian colors) with lozenge wings from that photo.
Thanks Gary, let me encourage you to do your version. Who knows, one day you may be proven to be more accurate. Next up a bit of a revisit to the Eduard Fokker D.VII Weekend kit #8482. Adding lozenge to the wings and overpainting the fuselage crosses.
more info here.
JackFlash
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Posted: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 - 01:16 AM UTC
Finishing up the rigging for the Loerzer Jasta 26 black & white Fok. D.VII and the Degelow Jasta 40 "Leaping Stag" late Oct - early Nov. 1918. I have a few more slated to be ready for the finished display in 2017 - 18.
I have the following underconstruction or consideration;
4.Armee. Gruja Nr.3.
Jasta 14 SSW D.IV ? Mod. Eduard
Gruja Nr.6.
Jasta 20 Fok. D.VII Brown fuselage w/white tail unit. Roden
Jasta 51 Fok. D.VII Horizontal tail unit half grn, half blk. Roden
Marine Feld Jagdgeschwader,
MFJ V See Anthology 3 Fok E.V or D.VII?
6.Armee. Gruja Nr.7.
Jasta 43 (Roden #421 or Eduard decals) Fok. D.VII early Alb. Man-in-the-moon.
Jasta 63 Fok. D.VII Black & white fuselage band late Alb.
17.Armee. Jagdgeschwader Nr.3.
Jasta 27 Fok. D.VII (Monogram kit # 5203 or Roden #415) Late Alb.
Jasta 36 Pfalz D.XII Blue Max
Jasta 36 Fok. D.VII early Schwerin (Roden 420) “N” Roden
Jasta 57 Fok. D.VII early OAW, light blue similar to J.56 with yellow details. Roden
And just for some flavor.
Roland D.VI a or b Fly
Junkers D.I Roden
Fok. D.VI Tmvac Hybrid
I have the following underconstruction or consideration;
4.Armee. Gruja Nr.3.
Jasta 14 SSW D.IV ? Mod. Eduard
Gruja Nr.6.
Jasta 20 Fok. D.VII Brown fuselage w/white tail unit. Roden
Jasta 51 Fok. D.VII Horizontal tail unit half grn, half blk. Roden
Marine Feld Jagdgeschwader,
MFJ V See Anthology 3 Fok E.V or D.VII?
6.Armee. Gruja Nr.7.
Jasta 43 (Roden #421 or Eduard decals) Fok. D.VII early Alb. Man-in-the-moon.
Jasta 63 Fok. D.VII Black & white fuselage band late Alb.
17.Armee. Jagdgeschwader Nr.3.
Jasta 27 Fok. D.VII (Monogram kit # 5203 or Roden #415) Late Alb.
Jasta 36 Pfalz D.XII Blue Max
Jasta 36 Fok. D.VII early Schwerin (Roden 420) “N” Roden
Jasta 57 Fok. D.VII early OAW, light blue similar to J.56 with yellow details. Roden
And just for some flavor.
Roland D.VI a or b Fly
Junkers D.I Roden
Fok. D.VI Tmvac Hybrid
JackFlash
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Posted: Sunday, May 22, 2016 - 09:30 PM UTC
This kit represents a Fokker D.VII 230 - 460/18 flown by Oblt. B. Loerzer Commander of JG.III early 1918. See ‘Fokker D.VII Anthology 2' by R.Rimell, Albatros Pub. Ltd. 2000. Pp.9 & 27. from the early production series and the personal marking are for one of several aircraft flown by Oblt. Bruno Loerzer, commander of JG.III. It was photographed at Nivelles in December 1918.. Unlike other Jasta 26 machines the wings are painted with the upper surface of the top wing and the undersurface of the lower wing were over painted in the commander’s livery and the rest of the wings were in the factory lozenge camouflage . Because of the serial placement late in the first production batch and the possibility that the top wing was replaced. I have allowed the result was that it was covered in the 4 and 5 colour lozenge type.
JackFlash
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Posted: Saturday, May 28, 2016 - 06:10 AM UTC
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I have a few more slated to be ready for the finished display in 2017 - 18. . .
Jasta 36 Fok. D.VII early Schwerin (Roden 420) “N” Roden
This modified Roden #420 kit profile (II) represents an early Schwerin built Fokker D.VII of Jasta 36 possibly in the markings of in the markings Uffz. (Corporal) Reinhold Neumann from late August - early Sept 1918. His machine might have been passed on to another pilot. The is kit profile was originally highly over simplified and I used a higher res image to compare and armed with my research on Jasta 36 I though an update would help those working with this scheme.
GazzaS
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Posted: Saturday, May 28, 2016 - 07:50 AM UTC
You continue to amaze! Can't wait to see the next one.
Gaz
Gaz
JackFlash
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Posted: Saturday, May 28, 2016 - 12:09 PM UTC
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Jasta 1 Fokker D.VII 601/18 at Nivelles Belgium 1918.
Having done some digging I found that the serial number to the aircraft is 5301/18. Brought down on 20 Oct. 1918, the British were kind enough to include the Brigade capture I.D. on the fin. I recently picked up a high Res image of this bird and was able to digitally repair the image. The Higher res allowed me to read the inscription on the vertical fin.
JackFlash
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Posted: Monday, May 30, 2016 - 06:06 PM UTC
Next builds in line for the diorama.
JackFlash
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Posted: Friday, June 03, 2016 - 07:42 PM UTC
This Roden kit represents an early Fokker D.VII (OAW) in the personal marking of Ltn. Carl Degelow the Jasta 40 Commander until the end of the war and the last recipient of the Orden Pour le Merite (The Blue Max). While his first machine was an early Albatros built machine this is his second known aircraft an OAW built bird.
JackFlash
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Posted: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 - 09:06 AM UTC
This kit represents an early Schwerin built Fokker D.VII of Jasta 36 possibly in the markings of in the markings Uffz. (Corporal) Reinhold Neumann from late August - early Sept 1918. His machine might have been passed on to another pilot.
JackFlash
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Posted: Sunday, July 03, 2016 - 09:21 AM UTC
This kit represents an early production Fokker D.VII (OAW) in the markings of Jasta 57 the personal marking of Vizefeldwebel (Acting Sergeant) Wieprich. He probably inherited this machine after Ltn. Hafner’s death. This early production survivor has been built to depict a machine that was “unfortunately” crashed when landing at the Nivelles collect point. The pilot’s lower right wing tip was dug into the earth on landing, bending and twisting the whole airframe. The visual result was a flat tire, the alignment of the wings was offset. The lower right wing was damaged at the tip. This makes repairs to the machine too much of a time issue. It was delegated to the “red tag” group. Cables to the guns were removed to prevent accidental firing.
JackFlash
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Posted: Thursday, July 07, 2016 - 03:30 AM UTC
This is the Roden 1/48 # 420 kit. A compass and hand fuel pump were added to the cockpit from the spares box. The cowling panels are typical of early production OAW. The motor is a modified kit item and represents the BMW IIIa 185hp. Various control arms, fuel, water and oil hoses and pipes were added from flux. The rigging is fine wire and “Lozenge” decals are from the Aviattic’s faded 5 color sheets. The national markings are from the kit. The propellor is a Roden kit “Wolff” item painted to simulate laminated wood.
This build represents an early production Fokker D.VII (OAW) in the brown fuselage, white nose and tail unit markings of Jasta 20. These personal markings are strictly hypothetical because so little of their photos exist in the public domain. The Jasta 20 tail unit was bordered in a “dark color”. Often times when a unit inherited machine from other Jastas they over painted fuselage a solid color.
This build represents an early production Fokker D.VII (OAW) in the brown fuselage, white nose and tail unit markings of Jasta 20. These personal markings are strictly hypothetical because so little of their photos exist in the public domain. The Jasta 20 tail unit was bordered in a “dark color”. Often times when a unit inherited machine from other Jastas they over painted fuselage a solid color.
JackFlash
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Posted: Saturday, July 16, 2016 - 07:52 PM UTC
This Eduard 1/48 kit represents a Schwerin built Fokker D.VII from Jasta 63. The personal markings while typical for the unit are hypothetical. With the black and white vertical bands are accurate the pilots of this unit used personal devices or the initials of the pilot. Late in the war shortages of personnel and materials made some units keep anything not maintenance related to a minimum or totally on the back burner. The possibility of Jasta 63 having more than 2 aircraft at Nivelles is minimal. Six if them flew into neutral Holland on 13 Nov. 1918.
krow113
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Posted: Sunday, July 17, 2016 - 04:57 AM UTC
Epic saga continues....great work!
JackFlash
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Posted: Sunday, July 17, 2016 - 05:51 AM UTC
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Epic saga continues....great work!
Thanks Steve. Yes, I have one more Fok. D.VII to finish to meet the "1 from every Jasta" quota and then a few assorted other aircraft. I was shooting for the IPMS Nats convention in 2018. But there are still some unknown factors to that. The figures still continue to be problematic.
krow113
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Posted: Monday, July 18, 2016 - 08:06 PM UTC
Decent WW1 figs are tough to come by in 48 or even 1/32!
CaptnTommy
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Posted: Thursday, July 21, 2016 - 12:10 AM UTC
Airfix has some nice modifiable modern soldiers in good poses. Other than that I think there are some Japanese 1/48 tank crew.
Captn Tommy
Captn Tommy
JackFlash
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Posted: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 - 04:30 PM UTC
A bit of an update. 2020.
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Here is where I am at with some of my options for colour schemes as related to the units represented at Nivelles.
I. Armee Gruppe Rupprecht. Collection airfield. Nivelles. - kits used -
4 Armee.
Gruja Nr.3.
Jasta 14 SSW D.III (Old Eduard kit?)
Jasta 16b Fok. D.VII early Schwerin (white/black/white) bands around tail unit, 402/18 (ES 48080), early Schwerin Eduard kit, Uffz Holtzem. DONE.
Jasta 29 Fok. D.VII (AM48-183)early Schwerin DML Ltn. Auffarth. DONE.
Jasta 56. Fok. D.VII early Alb. derelict Jager, DONE.
Gruja Nr.6.
Jasta 7 Fok. Dr.I 470/17 Jacobs late version DML / Dragon, DONE.
Jasta 7 Fok. D.VII (ES 48189) early Schwerin, Jacobs DML, DONE.
Jasta 20 Brown fuselage w/ white tail unit? Roden 420, DONE.
Jasta 40s (PD 48-016 or Roden #421)(PD 48016) Fok. D.VII early OAW. leaping stag Roden DONE.
Jasta 51. Tail unit half grn half blk ?
Marine Feld Jagdgeschwader,
MFJ I, (AM48-612) Sachsenberg Early Schwerin (3 vent) Eduard,DONE.
MFJ II SSW D.III DONE.
MFJ III Fok. D.VII 4499/18 (AM48-611)(Mid Prod OAW) Eduard. DONE.
MFJ III Fok. E.V 144/18(modified DML kit decals #5909.)DML, DONE.
MFJ IV SSW D.III DONE.
MFJ V.
6 Armee.
Gruja Nr.7.
Jasta 28 Fok. D.VII kit?
Jasta 30 Fok. D.VII early Alb. (ES 48042 & Roden 421)Roden, DONE.
Jasta 30 Fok. D.VII 247/18 (Hybrid kit) DONE.
Jasta 33 Fok. D.VII 6305/18 late OAW(ES48042)DML, Lt. Kuehn DONE.
Jasta 43 Fok. D.VII early Alb. Eduard (Royal kit #20001)DONE.
Jasta 43 Fok. D.VII(Superscale 48-479, AM48-183) late Alb. modified DML kit, DONE.
Jasta 46w Fok. D.VII late Alb. Eduard (Royal kit #20001)DONE.
Jasta 52 Fok. D.VII Black fuselage w/ white wheels & radiator shell Roden kit. #415 DONE.
Jasta 63 Fok. D.VII Black & white fuselage band, late model Schwerin Eduard kit. DONE.
17 Armee.
Jagdgeschwader Nr.3.
Jasta 2 Banding on fuselage like war ribbon tail planes half white half black. 8132 Eduard DONE.
Jasta 26 (Roden) Black & white fuselage & tail banding. DML (3 vent) DONE.
Jasta 27 Fok. D.VII(Monogram)decals # 5203 Roden kit #415
Jasta 36 Fok. D.VII Roden kit #415 "N" DONE.
Jasta 36 Fok. D.VII(OAW)DML DONE.
Jasta 36 Fok. D.VII(OAW)Eduard DONE.
Jasta 36 Pfalz D. XII wrecked Blue Max
Gruja Nr.4
Jasta 1 Fok. D.VII Grn triangle on fin and grn and white angled stripes on horizontal tail plane and maybe a wrap around ribbon on the fuselage. Eduard Johannistahl 601/18.
Jasta 57 Fok. D.VII early OAW lt blue similar to J.56 but with yellow details.DONE.
Jasta 58 Fok. D.VII(AM48-612) Eduard 8131(OAW) Mid Production, Jager. DONE.
Jasta 59 Fok. D.VII late Schwerin late type black cat Eduard. DONE.
Redhand
#522
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Posted: Friday, September 11, 2020 - 01:20 AM UTC
How many aircraft will you be making in total for this extraordinary project?
JackFlash
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Posted: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 - 10:37 PM UTC
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How many aircraft will you be making in total for this extraordinary project?
Good question. 28 so far. A few more are on the factory floor. I have room for about 9 more completed builds. We'll see.
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