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WhoamI? #2
JackFlash
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Posted: Sunday, February 24, 2013 - 02:03 PM UTC
OEFFAG_153
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Posted: Sunday, February 24, 2013 - 09:19 PM UTC
I kick off by guessing – Carl Degelow?
Mikael
Mikael
Kornbeef
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Posted: Monday, February 25, 2013 - 02:53 AM UTC
Richard Kraut by chance?
lcarroll
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Posted: Monday, February 25, 2013 - 03:44 AM UTC
I'd say 40 Victory Ace Franz Buchner prior to October 1918 when he was awarded the Pour le Merite serving with Jasta 13.
Cheers,
Lance
Cheers,
Lance
JackFlash
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Posted: Monday, February 25, 2013 - 07:59 AM UTC
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Richard Kraut by chance?
Thats the man in a post war photo image.
lcarroll
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Posted: Monday, February 25, 2013 - 08:36 AM UTC
Stephen,
Just for fun check out the photo of Buchner in "Above the Lines", incredible likeness (mis-captioned perhaps?)
Ah well, if you don't play you can't win! Keep these little puzzles coming, they add a bit of fun for sure.
Cheers,
Lance
Just for fun check out the photo of Buchner in "Above the Lines", incredible likeness (mis-captioned perhaps?)
Ah well, if you don't play you can't win! Keep these little puzzles coming, they add a bit of fun for sure.
Cheers,
Lance
JackFlash
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Posted: Monday, February 25, 2013 - 08:40 AM UTC
". . .the fellow with the black cross on a white shield arm patch is Richard Kraut, formerly of Jagdstaffeln 4 and 63. He used a very similar marking on his first Fokker D.VII in Jasta 4, which is well-known. It was said to have been . . . associated with the "Teutonic Knights" and his home city of Thorn in West Prussia. This is obviously a post-war photo, and he may indeed have served in the "Detachment von Randow". . ."
Greg VanWyngarden
lcarroll
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Posted: Monday, February 25, 2013 - 10:43 AM UTC
Neat! The WNW DVII (Alb) scheme of his "RK" monogrammed Jasta 63 machine was actually one of the "Canadian Fokkers" flown by William Barker at Hounslow in the UK immediate post-war and I believe one of those shipped to Canada. I plan on building two of the three D.VII in the 1 Canadian Airforce Squadron schemes.
Cheers,
Lance
Cheers,
Lance
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Posted: Monday, February 25, 2013 - 11:37 AM UTC
It just happened i was pouring over the Windsock DVII anthology III at the same time I saw this thread Theres a pic of Richard Kraut with his flying gear on posed as if getting in his aircraft. I thought it very like the picture you posted Stephen so gave it a stab 
JackFlash
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Posted: Monday, February 25, 2013 - 06:00 PM UTC
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It just happened i was pouring over the Windsock DVII anthology III at the same time I saw this thread Theres a pic of Richard Kraut with his flying gear on posed as if getting in his aircraft. I thought it very like the picture you posted Stephen so gave it a stab
Here it is. Note the jacket, what pattern is it?
There is some question if this is Kraut or not, what is the marking in black on the upper area of the "R". Theory is its is a British pilot (note the coat) or It's Kraut just befor the machine was flown to its turn in point at Nivelles.
OEFFAG_153
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Posted: Monday, February 25, 2013 - 08:57 PM UTC
Nice story Stephen, and very much fun to try to figure out the pilot! I did recognize the Teutonic shield from somewhere – could just not pin it down...
I'd love to see more of these guessing threads
Mikael
I'd love to see more of these guessing threads
Mikael
lcarroll
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - 02:46 PM UTC
The foregoing photo is captioned on another credible site as representing Andrew McKeever, top scoring Ace on the F2b and CO designee of #1 Sqn. Canadian Airforce taken at RAF Hounslow in early 1919. As it says in Anthology #3 "not Kraut but is an unidentified British pilot." No mystery to me; he's a "dead ringer" for Andy McKeever and is captioned as such on Canadian sites. If anyone's interested Google Canadian Fokkers, or I'll provide a link when I have a bit more time in the next day or so.
Like Mikael, lots of fun, this, keep em coming Stephen!
Cheers,
Lance
Like Mikael, lots of fun, this, keep em coming Stephen!
Cheers,
Lance
JackFlash
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - 03:00 PM UTC
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The foregoing photo is captioned on another credible site as representing Andrew McKeever, top scoring Ace on the F2b and CO designee of #1 Sqn. Canadian Airforce taken at RAF Hounslow in early 1919. As it says in Anthology #3 "not Kraut but is an unidentified British pilot." No mystery to me; he's a "dead ringer" for Andy McKeever and is captioned as such on Canadian sites. If anyone's interested Google Canadian Fokkers, or I'll provide a link when I have a bit more time in the next day or so.
Like Mikael, lots of fun, this, keep em coming Stephen!
Cheers,
Lance
To my mind I have doubts it is Lt. Col. McKeever. Here he is beside Fokker D.VII 8493/18.
lcarroll
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - 03:16 PM UTC
Go to the site Vintage Wings of Canada and find the article "War Trophies and the Nascent Canadian Air Force". Both these photos are displayed one above the other; food for thought?!
Also some really neat info on the Canadian Fokkers and William Barker, both Snipe and post war Fokker involvement. Last, some really shameful history on "disposal" of the War Trophy Canadian DVII airframes.
Cheers,
Lance
Also some really neat info on the Canadian Fokkers and William Barker, both Snipe and post war Fokker involvement. Last, some really shameful history on "disposal" of the War Trophy Canadian DVII airframes.
Cheers,
Lance
JackFlash
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - 04:03 PM UTC
I discovered VWoC several weeks back when I was doing some research on D.8609/18. Good site.
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