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Armor guy doing a Spitfire Mk.IX
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Posted: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 - 01:34 AM UTC
Hi y'all,

As the title says, I am normally building halftracks, but I couldn't resist the call of the Merlin engine.

So, I started this:


First, of course, the cockpit:





I saw brass or copper piping for the pedals on pictures of a restored Mk.V and as a Mk.IX is basically a Mk.V with another engine, I thought to use it here as well.

Which is placed in the fuselage


(hope this doesn't surprise you )



And I did the propeller:



Now I have three questions:
I am making the boxart "Pat" is this an "A" or "B" camoflage?
Should the metal parts of the cockpit windows be ppaited the same color of the cockpit or the camoflage colors of the outside?
The spinner should be painted Mr. Color "Sky" according to the manual, but this translates to Vallejo's "Duck Egg Green". Is this correct?
(Mr. Color is not available in my local hobbyshop)

Hope you like it so far,

Peter
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Posted: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 - 01:58 AM UTC
Hi Peter

It's looking really good! I'm glad we were able to tempt you away from halftracks for a while.

All the best

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Posted: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 - 02:04 AM UTC

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It's looking really good! I'm glad we were able to tempt you away from halftracks for a while.


Well, it's got half wheels and half wings, so it's
an "hw" instead of an "ht". That's close enough.

Peter
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Posted: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 - 02:42 AM UTC

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Now I have three questions:
I am making the boxart "Pat" is this an "A" or "B" camoflage?
Should the metal parts of the cockpit windows be ppaited the same color of the cockpit or the camoflage colors of the outside?
The spinner should be painted Mr. Color "Sky" according to the manual, but this translates to Vallejo's "Duck Egg Green". Is this correct?
(Mr. Color is not available in my local hobbyshop)

Hope you like it so far,

Peter


Looking good! Just be careful, one aircraft model can lead to another...

I presume with cockpit window metal parts you mean the canopy framing? You should paint the interior color first, then the exterior color(s), so the correct color is visible on the inside. As for the colors, go with the interior green used on the rest of the cockpit. However, based on a quick googling, the windscreen's interior framing seems to have been painted black in some aircraft (e.g. here.
Perhaps someone more experienced about RAF aircraft could chime in?

Yep, that spinner color looks like Sky to me.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 - 09:22 PM UTC
Peter,
Welcome to our world in Kit Maker Network. You picked a great kit to build as a break from armor.

For the Camo scheme as I found out the hard way, it's the A version. On my Spit I did a B version, then had to strip it down to raw plastic and start over again with Masks from Mal. BTW, you should really look into them. It makes the whole process painless, and is fool proof.

Here's my Eduard Spitfire Mk.IXc with the correct A scheme as per Mal's masks;



Joel
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Posted: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 - 12:09 PM UTC

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Now I have three questions:
I am making the boxart "Pat" is this an "A" or "B" camoflage?
Should the metal parts of the cockpit windows be ppaited the same color of the cockpit or the camoflage colors of the outside?
The spinner should be painted Mr. Color "Sky" according to the manual, but this translates to Vallejo's "Duck Egg Green". Is this correct?
(Mr. Color is not available in my local hobbyshop)

Hope you like it so far,

Peter


1. The practice of using "A" and "B" scheme camouflage had long been abandoned by the time the Mk IX was in service. The 2 schemes were found on Battle of Britain era aircraft; as a rule of thumb.
2. As Eetu says, paint the interior colour first then the exterior colour/s. Make sure that you clean the clear parts well before masking otherwise you will remove the paint when you remove the masking.
3. Sky, or properly Sky type S ("S" for smooth) has been called many things, including "Duck Egg Green" so they are one and the same, but "Sky" is its own colour. Your spinner looks good but it does look to be very similar to the colour of the interior in the picture above it? Which would be wrong.

Note:
The spinner, tail band and the codes were all painted sky.

To help get you hooked on Aircraft models I will send you a set of camo masks, for just the postage, if you wish?

Your Spitfire is looking good
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Posted: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 - 02:57 PM UTC
Hi,

Thanks for all the comments and advice, but unfortunately I haven't had time to build the last couple of days (and I won't have today).
But I do have time for a couple of pictures to prove that I have used different colours for the spinner and the cockpit:



And the bottles:



Hope to make a substantial update soon,

Peter
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Posted: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 - 08:31 PM UTC
Pete,
On my monitor, your spinner does indeed look the proper color Sky Type S. As Mal said, the trick is to match it up to the markings on the decal sheet you're going to use.

I would certainly take Mal up on his offer for his masks for just postage.

Joel
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Posted: Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 12:28 PM UTC
Hi Peter,
Yes that does look better, The spinner looks to be a good match to "sky", the interior green is a bit bright but passes; it could be toned down with a wash, but don't worry about that


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Pete,
On my monitor, your spinner does indeed look the proper color Sky Type S. As Mal said, the trick is to match it up to the markings on the decal sheet you're going to use.


Mmmmm, Joel I didn't say that the trick was to match the spinner colour to the markings! In most cases that would be the wrong thing to do as decals that are supposed to be sky are anything but. Checking the decals in my kit they are better then most, but are not correct. If the decals are close to the correct colour then you could try and match up the spinner and tail band to the code decals but that isn't easy.


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I would certainly take Mal up on his offer for his masks for just postage.


He has

Peter do you want me to send you a set of codes as well? You can then paint them the same as your spinner
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Posted: Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 01:18 PM UTC
You ARE spoiling me!!
But I take Joel's advice, Yes please!

Thanks,
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Posted: Thursday, August 27, 2015 - 04:18 PM UTC

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You ARE spoiling me!!
But I take Joel's advice, Yes please!

Thanks,
Peter


A good call! Mal was good enough to make me a set of masks for the markings (rather than the camouflage, which I wanted soft edged) of a 1/24 Spitfire floatplane conversion that I did a while ago. It was the first time I'd used them and they did exactly what they said on the packet and easily enough for a chump like me to master them at the first attempt.
I don't want to hijack your thread, but here's a little piccy of the results.



Even the four colours of the fuselage roundels was a piece of cake, so your camouflage should be straight forward too!

Cheers

Steve

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Yep, trust me I make masks

Steve, have you sent me pictures?
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Posted: Friday, August 28, 2015 - 04:55 PM UTC
Don't sweat it Steven, I don't mind watching pictures of such a nice conversion.
Is it a conversion of the Mk.I, the Mk.V or the Mk.IX? (Yes I did my homework)

As for my Spitrfire, I didn't make as much progress as I hoped, but I did the PE on the door:



And the bombracks:



Happy weekend,
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Posted: Saturday, August 29, 2015 - 02:35 AM UTC

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Don't sweat it Steven, I don't mind watching pictures of such a nice conversion.
Is it a conversion of the Mk.I, the Mk.V or the Mk.IX?


It's the Trumpeter Mk V with a Grey Matter Figures tail (the kit is hopelessly wrong) and a few other bits and bobs (seat and control column, again the kit is awful). The vignette has some easily scratch built bits as well.
It's one of those sent to Egypt operating from the Great Bitter Lake.

Keep up the good work on yours !

Cheers

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Posted: Saturday, August 29, 2015 - 12:50 PM UTC
Peter, What colour have you used on the wheel wells? it should be either interior green or the underside colour

I will post the masks on Monday
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Posted: Saturday, August 29, 2015 - 01:39 PM UTC
Hi Mal,

I'm using Vallejo 71.119 White Grey as undersurface color.
The piture shows the under-wing only, what you can see through the holes for the undercariage is a piece of white paper.

Thanks again for the masks, hope it isready to paint when they arrive.

Peter
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Posted: Saturday, August 29, 2015 - 01:44 PM UTC
I am surprised that nobody has yet pointed you here:

https://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/forums/205565
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Posted: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 - 12:31 AM UTC
Good evening!

Thanks for the interesting link, Antoni.
Sadly enough, summer has hit the Netherlands, so at the moment I am painting the outside of our house, so no update on the Spit.

But on the bright side,
Soon in this theater,
I present you:
(Bombastic Classical Music, with a touch of Wagner)

"The Return of Armorguy"
starring:



But after the Spitfire, I do have to finish some other builds first.

Peter
PS: those "holes for the undercariage" are of course "wheel wells" or "wheel bays".
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Hi Mal,

I'm using Vallejo 71.119 White Grey as undersurface color.
The piture shows the under-wing only, what you can see through the holes for the undercariage is a piece of white paper.

Thanks again for the masks, hope it isready to paint when they arrive.

Peter


Yep, I'm aware that this is just the lower wing and that it is on a white surface I'm assuming that as you have painted the wheel wells light grey then this will be the under surface colour that you will be using? I was asking for you to confirm this as it looks a bit too light? The correct colour for the under surface should be medium sea grey.
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Posted: Thursday, September 03, 2015 - 12:15 PM UTC
Hi Mall,

Then I guess you're right. With the colors I have at home, I could change it into 71050 Light grey (which is much darker), else I would have to go to my favourite place to buy another .
Just to be sure, I planned to use 71048 Dark Sea Grey and 71013 Yellow Olive for the upper surface. Are they right?

When I'm in my favourite place, I might as well buy more.

Thanks for the warning,

Peter
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Hi Mall,

Then I guess you're right. With the colors I have at home, I could change it into 71050 Light grey (which is much darker), else I would have to go to my favourite place to buy another .
Just to be sure, I planned to use 71048 Dark Sea Grey and 71013 Yellow Olive for the upper surface. Are they right?

When I'm in my favourite place, I might as well buy more.

Thanks for the warning,

Peter


I wouldn't know if 71050 is the correct colour as I don't use those paints, but the one that you were planning to use is definitely wrong

The upper surface colours are: ocean grey and dark green. Dark sea grey is a different colour and yellow olive just sounds wrong.

Here is a picture of my 1/32 Spitfire Mk V (All markings painted on )


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Posted: Saturday, September 05, 2015 - 08:42 PM UTC
Goodafternoon,

I finally got the wings on the fuselage:





Now it starts to look like a real Spitfire



(Yes Mal, I did repaint the Wheel wells)

And the underside as well as the recognition-band:



I do have 2 more questions for you, if you don't mind.
I did it 11 millimeters (about 20 inch in real life) wide, is this the correct size?
I was planning to do the invasion stripes 10 mm (approx. 19 inch), would that be correct?

Thanks for watching,

Peter
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Posted: Saturday, September 05, 2015 - 09:36 PM UTC
Peter,
Nice going on matching the correct color for the bottom of the Spit. I did match it up to Mal's posted picture, and it looks one shade darker on my monitor. But when I look at the color of your Tamiya cutting mat, it's also a shade darker them my mat, so I'm figuring that what I'm seeing is darker then in real life do to your digital camera settings, and your photo editor. In either case, it looks more then good enough, as paint did vary even from the same manufacture batch by batch.

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Posted: Sunday, September 06, 2015 - 02:19 PM UTC
Nice one Peter, that is a much better colour

The invasion stripes and the tail band were 18" (9.53mm, 9.5 as makes no odds). That should be fairly easily achievable using a pair of dividers.
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Posted: Sunday, September 06, 2015 - 05:38 PM UTC
Thanks for the comments!

Today I sprayed the first color:







Might look a bit to dark, but it is quite close to the boxart, although compared to Mal's picture, it is less blueish. I also checked the 71013 Yellow Olive, which was recommended by the chart I used, but that's about black green and way to dark.
I will replace that by 71016 US dark Green (tomorrow, when my dealer is open, paint has got to dry anyway )

Peter
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