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Fw 190 Cockpit colour
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Posted: Friday, October 15, 2004 - 11:22 AM UTC
Hey all.

I was in the middle of painting my Fw 190 and i was wondering what the colour of the cockpit should be.
I was thinking cockpit green but i dont know if that would be right. any suggestions?

Rob
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Posted: Friday, October 15, 2004 - 11:52 AM UTC
yeah a greenish color would do fine. Its not really a big deal. Cockpit green will do fine.
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Posted: Friday, October 15, 2004 - 11:54 AM UTC
Hey

Thanks for the tip TsunamiBomb

Rob
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Posted: Friday, October 15, 2004 - 01:23 PM UTC
Hi
I'm not sure cockpit green would be correct.

Luftwaffe aircraft had their cockpits painted dark black-grey.
Either RLM02 or later RLM66.

The seat cushions were probably dark brown leather.

Hope it helps
Cheers
Peter
:-)
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Posted: Friday, October 15, 2004 - 06:01 PM UTC
The cockpit of a Fw 190 would be RLM 66 a very dark grey. The wheel wells, inside of the undercarriage doors and the undercarriage legs legs were painted RLM 02, a greenish grey. The cover over the oleo was black and the wheels themselves were gloss black. A little tip, when painting tyres don't paint them black, use a dark grey, such as RLM 66.
Mal
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Posted: Friday, October 15, 2004 - 09:21 PM UTC
DUDE! I really have to go with FLITZER! and HOLDFAST on this! schwartz grau (black grey) is THEE colour off ww2 german a/c/ almost right through out the war!
barring a few months at the very begining! never green!
whodini
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Posted: Friday, October 15, 2004 - 10:21 PM UTC
Oooops...Painted too soon

I already put the instrument panel decals on.
I actually mixed my own green for it. it turned out to be a dark green-grey colour.

Rob
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Posted: Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 03:43 AM UTC
no sweat mate! try to give it a gentle wash back to a darker shade?
that way the grey green will serve as a highlight!
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Posted: Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 04:10 AM UTC
Hi Kenaz

LOL! I was going to suggest the opposite... so I still will! A dusting with dark grey pastels might also help pull things around. Just another safe and easy way to avoid a repaint.

Just to add a bit more detail to the original colour question. According to the original documents quoted in Michael Ullmann's Luftwaffe Colours 1935-45, RLM 66 had certainly replaced RLM 02 as the overall cockpit colour in 1941. Prior to this, cockpits could be painted with RLM 01 (SIlber) or 02 (Grau), with only the instrument panel painted RLM 66 (Schwartzgrau).

L.Dv521/1 of 1941 stated:

"... the interior walls of glazed cockpits and canopies will be protected against dazzle with shade 66."

As regards the wheel wells etc. - Holdfast's right, RLM 02 was the official colour for such interiors, but the worsening war situation dictated radical changes, both to save materials and speed up production. A document dated 18th May 1942, specifically noting the Fw 190 calls for the cessation of painting of areas not exposed to airflow. i.e. wheel wells, interior of flaps and access panels etc.

The use of bare metal on Luftwaffe types is often thought to be a symptom of the final crisis of 1944-45, but such documents indicate that the change-over occurred much earlier.

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 04:31 AM UTC
hi Robert,
I want to tell you this is a friendly advice more than a critic but when I have some hesitations on painting my models I prefer doing a google image search to find the answer and then post Armorama to check it again. I did an image search on '' fw 190 cockpit'' and found 180 related photos...just 2 examples.



both of the photos show it is grey..sorry for being late but i think Rowans dark gray pastels is the best solution at this moment.
best regards
whodini
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Posted: Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 09:30 AM UTC
Hey.

Steeldog51: So you think I should give it a light wash with a Dark Grey? Do you think I should give it a light dusting after?

Graywolf: Thanks for the tip. I wasn't thinking too well last night when I posted it.(too many fumes :-) )

Merlin: Thanks for all that info!

Rob

P.S. Do you think that $33 Is too much for this kit?
It's a 1/72 Hasegawa Fw 190 F-8
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Posted: Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 04:09 PM UTC

Quoted Text

A document dated 18th May 1942, specifically noting the Fw 190 calls for the cessation of painting of areas not exposed to airflow. i.e. wheel wells, interior of flaps and access panels etc.

Nice one Rowan, I really must get me some more reference books Do me a favor, If I mention I'm doing a 190, remind me of this. I'm planning to start a D-9 soon :-)
Mal
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Posted: Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 04:30 PM UTC
Hi Robert yeah give it a try ! dark wash around theintruments do go into them ,then after its dry take it a bit further with pastels!

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Posted: Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 12:01 PM UTC
Hi Guys,

You really can't see much cockpit but the last 3 pix in my "Aeroplane" gallery are my recent FW torpedobomber:

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jptrr/album?.dir=/

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jptrr/album?.dir=/
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