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Now Enlisting: VAC CAMPAIGN
Merlin
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Posted: Saturday, July 08, 2017 - 12:11 AM UTC
Hi Bob

Great news! I'm signed up!

I don't know whether it would work as an award, but as soon as I saw the great title of the campaign, one name sprang straight to mind for the intrepid souls who embark on the adventure...



All the best

Rowan
Jessie_C
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Posted: Saturday, July 08, 2017 - 12:36 AM UTC
Whip and Fedora optional. Plus, we'd have a stirring campaign theme tune.
Bigrip74
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Posted: Saturday, July 08, 2017 - 01:22 AM UTC
Rowan and Jesse, that sounds like a great theme and the ribbon.

Bob
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Posted: Sunday, July 09, 2017 - 02:54 PM UTC
Yep,

I signed up as well. The timing of the campaign leaves me enough time to prepare myself for the raid.

Great campaign ribbon and theme!

skypilot
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Posted: Thursday, July 13, 2017 - 06:16 AM UTC
Love the ribbon and theme....
Looking forward to this campaign!
Sky9
JClapp
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Posted: Thursday, July 13, 2017 - 09:01 PM UTC

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Hi Bob

Great news! I'm signed up!

I don't know whether it would work as an award, but as soon as I saw the great title of the campaign, one name sprang straight to mind for the intrepid souls who embark on the adventure...



All the best

Rowan


Very glad you will be along sir!

I took the liberty of rendering your concept into ribbon format -

with raised border -
Bigrip74
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Posted: Thursday, July 13, 2017 - 09:28 PM UTC
Jonathan, that is a keeper. I like the ribbon and the theme song.

Bob
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Posted: Thursday, July 13, 2017 - 10:22 PM UTC

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Love the ribbon and theme....
Looking forward to this campaign!
Sky9

Hello Sky9, see you in the fall!
sign up here
Merlin
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Posted: Thursday, July 20, 2017 - 01:03 AM UTC

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Hi Bob

Great news! I'm signed up!

I don't know whether it would work as an award, but as soon as I saw the great title of the campaign, one name sprang straight to mind for the intrepid souls who embark on the adventure...



All the best

Rowan


Very glad you will be along sir!

I took the liberty of rendering your concept into ribbon format -

with raised border -


Hi Jonathon

Cute! I did wonder if it would work that small, but the result is instantly recognisable and does tie in with the campaign name in a fun way.

I'm really looking forward to this build! I haven't tackled a vacuform in far too many years, so it'll be great to get back to the kind of modelling I was doing before running Aeroscale hijacked all my time and attention. I just hope I can still remember how...

Now we just need Staff_Jim to make this the first Campaign to cue an audio file when you click on its page so that we can run Jessie's theme tune as inspiration for everyone!

All the best

Rowan
Bigrip74
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Posted: Thursday, July 20, 2017 - 09:57 AM UTC
Thanks to Jonathan the ribbon has been posted on the campaign page.

Bob
Merlin
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Posted: Friday, July 21, 2017 - 01:02 AM UTC
Hi again

Fantastic! I'm eyeing a couple of simple vacuforms to tackle in preparation for the real deal, but time always runs away with me so I reckon it will be the Fw 58 Weihe that I re-cut my teeth on.

In preparation for the campaign, I'd really appreciate it if anyone can point me towards shots of the interior.

All the best

Rowan
JClapp
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Posted: Friday, July 21, 2017 - 01:53 AM UTC
I found this.
http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/DETAILSITE/DE/fw58/fw58.htm
Does the kit include any interior bits, or will you have to scratch build?
Merlin
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Posted: Saturday, July 22, 2017 - 12:01 AM UTC
Hi Jonathon

Many thanks - that's instantly a massive help!

The kit includes a reasonable amount of detail for cockpit, but basically none for the nose or further back towards the dorsal gunner's position. There's a nice etched instrument panel, but looking at your photos, it matches the Fw 58A, not the 'B.

So, plenty of scope for scratchbuilding - plus, I'm not taking it for granted that the detail that is included will necessarily fit.

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Saturday, July 22, 2017 - 08:26 AM UTC
Jonathan, WOW! that was amazing. Where did you come up with that information?

BIG QUESTION: what does everyone use for primer? I am tired of paying for Tamiya primer at $12.00 a can.

Bob
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Posted: Sunday, July 23, 2017 - 03:11 AM UTC
I am in for this campaign.

It will be a Sci-Fi resin fighter of some kind. Still to be decided.

Looking forward to get started.
Bigrip74
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Posted: Sunday, July 23, 2017 - 05:30 AM UTC
Jesper welcome and I would love to see your build.

Bob
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Posted: Sunday, July 23, 2017 - 07:50 AM UTC

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Jonathan, WOW! that was amazing. Where did you come up with that information?

BIG QUESTION: what does everyone use for primer? I am tired of paying for Tamiya primer at $12.00 a can.

Bob


Bob, it depends on what I'm painting, but I prefer Alclad gray, white or black primer and porefiller, shot straight out of the bottle through my Passche Millenium at about 15 PSI. I also use Floquil Bright Silver on occasion for some finishes over bare metal work, like brass. For rattle cans, I've used Krylon flat gray enamel primer, and have on occasion used Dupli-color automotive primer. Krylon is the cheapest, and seems to work like most rattle can primers for a fraction of the cost-- but be sure to buy the enamel, not the lacquer as the lacquer is pretty hot.
VR, Russ
Merlin
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Posted: Monday, July 24, 2017 - 03:06 AM UTC
Hi Bob

I've never used Tamiya primer, so I can't comment on it, but I agree with Russ that Alclad's is excellent stuff.

The classic "go-to" rattle can primer for vacuforms here in the UK was Halfords - so, basically, auto-repair primer. I've also used any old matt enamel thinned with cellulose to give some extra "bite". All you need to be sure of is that it won't flake off like some acrylics.

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Monday, July 24, 2017 - 02:59 PM UTC

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Hi Bob

I've never used Tamiya primer, so I can't comment on it, but I agree with Russ that Alclad's is excellent stuff.

The classic "go-to" rattle can primer for vacuforms here in the UK was Halfords - so, basically, auto-repair primer. I've also used any old matt enamel thinned with cellulose to give some extra "bite". All you need to be sure of is that it won't flake off like some acrylics.

All the best

Rowan


I also face some primer issues.


I dare to strongly recommend against the vallejo primers. Although they give a very smooth surface, and come in a very handy bottle, they hardly allow for any corrective sanding/polishing. they simply peel off.

i have used Tamiya primer, yes it costs money, but it works very well.

I have, in an isolated case, used mr surfacer; results fairly good but I got difficulties with airbrushing that stuff.

I am now going to buy an alclad bottle and test

Thanks for the tip
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Posted: Monday, July 24, 2017 - 07:11 PM UTC

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I have, in an isolated case, used mr surfacer; results fairly good but I got difficulties with airbrushing that stuff.

I am now going to buy an alclad bottle and test

Thanks for the tip


I too have used Mr. Surfacer 1000 and 1200 as a primer, and it works very well for difficult jobs over lots of filling and puttying (maybe the case for the upcoming Vac campaign??!!), but you really need to use Mr. Color Leveling Thinner to thin the mixture at least 70:30 for optimal airbrush use. Lacquer thinner will work in a pinch, but I find it dries too quickly, while spraying. But Mr. Color products are often difficult to find and expensive, which is why I didn't mention it. By the time you spend $6.00 for a pot of Mr. Surfacer, and another $7.00 for a bottle of Mr. Leveler Thinner, you might as well buy the Tamiya. It does work well though as both an excellent primer and surfacer combined. I pay about $8.00 USD at my LHS for a large bottle of Alclad, which lasts quite a while.
VR, Russ
Bigrip74
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Posted: Sunday, July 30, 2017 - 02:52 AM UTC
After everyone's help, I will go with KRYLON Flat Gray Enamel @ $4.54 for a 15oz can.

Bob
Bigrip74
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Posted: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 - 09:12 PM UTC
Ive, received a few more vac kits which now poses a problem. I cannot choose one out of the bunch.

Bob
JClapp
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Posted: Thursday, August 31, 2017 - 12:29 AM UTC
yeah, but this campaign will last a whole year. surely you can build a few of them in that time...
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Posted: Sunday, September 03, 2017 - 01:23 PM UTC

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yeah, but this campaign will last a whole year. surely you can build a few of them in that time...



mmmhh, you are obviously unaware of my building speed
JClapp
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Posted: Thursday, September 07, 2017 - 04:51 AM UTC

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mmmhh, you are obviously unaware of my building speed


I am aware that that you chose the largest, most challenging vacuform kit ever devised. If you finish that B-52 in a year you will become like a god to all of us.

I like to build 1/144 kits because I can make multiples quickly. I have two of the ACM Skywarrior kits


and this John D Voss photo from Kwajalein c.1963

these are RA-3Bs of VAP-61, out of NAS Agana, Guam. There is a story from the cold war era, in the days before continuous orbital surveillance, these guys would fly all over the Pacific ocean photographing every single island every 90 days, and then the egg heads in the pentagon would study the inages with big glasses, to make sure the commies werent setting up any secret bases.

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