General Aircraft
This forum is for general aircraft modelling discussions.
Aircraft 'JEOPARDY' trivia knowledge exchange
Merlin
Staff MemberSenior Editor
AEROSCALE
#017
_VISITCOMMUNITY
United Kingdom
Joined: June 11, 2003
KitMaker: 17,582 posts
AeroScale: 12,795 posts
Posted: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - 07:20 PM UTC
Hi Jerry

I guess it must be our old friend, the Dayton Wright RB racer developed for the 1920 Gordon Bennett race. It had so many radical features!

For the next question, see if you can identify this rather less advanced aircraft:



All the best

Rowan
Merlin
Staff MemberSenior Editor
AEROSCALE
#017
_VISITCOMMUNITY
United Kingdom
Joined: June 11, 2003
KitMaker: 17,582 posts
AeroScale: 12,795 posts
Posted: Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 11:59 PM UTC
Hi everyone

No ideas yet? I'll give a clue as to where to start looking; that roundel would have been red/white/green...

All the best

Rowan
bf443
_VISITCOMMUNITY
Idaho, United States
Joined: May 16, 2003
KitMaker: 895 posts
AeroScale: 457 posts
Posted: Friday, July 08, 2005 - 05:30 PM UTC
Merlin,

My guess is the Hanriot HD. 1 built by the French but used most by Italy.



Sincerely,
Brian
Merlin
Staff MemberSenior Editor
AEROSCALE
#017
_VISITCOMMUNITY
United Kingdom
Joined: June 11, 2003
KitMaker: 17,582 posts
AeroScale: 12,795 posts
Posted: Saturday, July 09, 2005 - 12:23 AM UTC
Hi Brian

No, it's not a Hanriot. It's a home-grown Italian design. The company who built this produced what many say were Italy's most successful fighters of WW2...

All the best

Rowan
TedMamere
_VISITCOMMUNITY
Moselle, France
Joined: May 15, 2005
KitMaker: 5,653 posts
AeroScale: 4,347 posts
Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 07:15 AM UTC

Quoted Text


The company who built this produced what many say were Italy's most successful fighters of WW2...
[ ]



Hi Rowan!

So it must be a Macchi or a FIAT...

Jean-Luc
Merlin
Staff MemberSenior Editor
AEROSCALE
#017
_VISITCOMMUNITY
United Kingdom
Joined: June 11, 2003
KitMaker: 17,582 posts
AeroScale: 12,795 posts
Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 07:25 AM UTC
Hi Jean-Luc

Welcome back - I hope you had a wonderful hoilday!

Yes, it's a Macchi...

All the best

Rowan
TedMamere
_VISITCOMMUNITY
Moselle, France
Joined: May 15, 2005
KitMaker: 5,653 posts
AeroScale: 4,347 posts
Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 08:07 AM UTC
Hi again!

So I'll try the Macchi M.14 prototype

Jean-Luc

P.S. Yes they were "oily days!"
Merlin
Staff MemberSenior Editor
AEROSCALE
#017
_VISITCOMMUNITY
United Kingdom
Joined: June 11, 2003
KitMaker: 17,582 posts
AeroScale: 12,795 posts
Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 08:22 AM UTC
Hi Jean-Luc

Back just a few hours and you've nailed it already!

Over to you for the next question.

All the best

Rowan
TedMamere
_VISITCOMMUNITY
Moselle, France
Joined: May 15, 2005
KitMaker: 5,653 posts
AeroScale: 4,347 posts
Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 08:39 AM UTC
Hi all!

So let's try another 24 hour question!

Find the plane with the most wheels! Tomorrow same time is the dead line!
The wheels must be used by the plane to take of or land, so no transport plane full of Goodyear tyres will be accepted! Hard rubber tyres are elligible!

As usually I'll start low to begin:
Kyushu J7W1 Shinden = 5 tires

Let's see if this one will take us as far as the "wings" question!

Jean-Luc

P.S. Don't come up with 100 wheels to early Rowan!
PolarBear
_VISITCOMMUNITY
Västra Götaland, Sweden
Joined: February 23, 2005
KitMaker: 820 posts
AeroScale: 629 posts
Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 09:50 AM UTC
The Anatonov An-225 must be a tough contestant in this category!



1,2,3,4,5....,29,30,31,32! :-)

At least according to my count!

Cheers!
Augie
_VISITCOMMUNITY
British Columbia, Canada
Joined: May 13, 2003
KitMaker: 711 posts
AeroScale: 107 posts
Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 08:29 PM UTC
Damn Polarbear, that was going to be my guess!
Augie
_VISITCOMMUNITY
British Columbia, Canada
Joined: May 13, 2003
KitMaker: 711 posts
AeroScale: 107 posts
Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 08:29 PM UTC
Damn Polarbear, that was going to be my guess!
TedMamere
_VISITCOMMUNITY
Moselle, France
Joined: May 15, 2005
KitMaker: 5,653 posts
AeroScale: 4,347 posts
Posted: Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 10:30 PM UTC
Hi all!

Yes Polarbear did set the bar very high! I don't know if this one can be beaten! I personaly thought the Arado Ar 232 "Tausendfüssler" with his 25 tyres would be a good competitor but... I forgot the Russian plane! The heaviest in the world!

Can anyone come with more?

Jean-Luc
TedMamere
_VISITCOMMUNITY
Moselle, France
Joined: May 15, 2005
KitMaker: 5,653 posts
AeroScale: 4,347 posts
Posted: Monday, July 11, 2005 - 07:20 AM UTC
Hi all!

One hour left and polarbear is the winner!

Jean-Luc
TedMamere
_VISITCOMMUNITY
Moselle, France
Joined: May 15, 2005
KitMaker: 5,653 posts
AeroScale: 4,347 posts
Posted: Monday, July 11, 2005 - 08:35 AM UTC
Tic... Tic... Tic... OVER!

It's your turn Polarbear! Congratulations!

Jean-Luc
PolarBear
_VISITCOMMUNITY
Västra Götaland, Sweden
Joined: February 23, 2005
KitMaker: 820 posts
AeroScale: 629 posts
Posted: Monday, July 11, 2005 - 08:54 AM UTC
Oh no, not again!
Ok - Here we go!

A) What's this odd bird, then?



B) The plane was quite unique with regard to it's development (if you can say "unique" when there has been at least one other aircraft in history that underwent the same "modifications"). Do you know what I'm referring to?



C) It was also one of the first aircraft ever (I believe the first outside of Germany) that had a special safety feature. Which one? And why?

Good luck!
Merlin
Staff MemberSenior Editor
AEROSCALE
#017
_VISITCOMMUNITY
United Kingdom
Joined: June 11, 2003
KitMaker: 17,582 posts
AeroScale: 12,795 posts
Posted: Monday, July 11, 2005 - 08:56 AM UTC
Darn it!... and I was just about to post my 100-wheeler! :-)

All the best

Rowan
Merlin
Staff MemberSenior Editor
AEROSCALE
#017
_VISITCOMMUNITY
United Kingdom
Joined: June 11, 2003
KitMaker: 17,582 posts
AeroScale: 12,795 posts
Posted: Monday, July 11, 2005 - 09:02 AM UTC
Hi PolarBear

Is that a Saab 21? It was converted to a jet as the 21R and, now I'm guessing , was fitted with an ejector seat to clear the pusher propellor.

All the best

Rowan
PolarBear
_VISITCOMMUNITY
Västra Götaland, Sweden
Joined: February 23, 2005
KitMaker: 820 posts
AeroScale: 629 posts
Posted: Monday, July 11, 2005 - 09:23 AM UTC
Why, that was fun for less than 10 minutes.

Rowan - of course - hit the jackpot, with all the right answers. Respect!!!

Here's a picture of the SAAB J 21A with the propeller.



And here's the converted J 21R with jet ("R" as in "rea") engine.


(note the J 21A on the right)

Only one other aircraft in history began as mass produced propeller aircraft and was later converted to jet power - and then massed produced again! (the Yak-3 // Yak-15).

SAAB introduced their first ejector seat (Mk 1) seat already in 1941. This was fitted to the J 21A, which flew in 1943.

(Ps. The first pictures were taken by Martin Waligorski for a Walkaround at http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2000/02/stuff_eng_detail_j21.htm)

Over to you, Rowan! Let's hope that your question will last a tad longer! :-)
Merlin
Staff MemberSenior Editor
AEROSCALE
#017
_VISITCOMMUNITY
United Kingdom
Joined: June 11, 2003
KitMaker: 17,582 posts
AeroScale: 12,795 posts
Posted: Monday, July 11, 2005 - 09:31 AM UTC
Hi PolarBear

LOL! I wouldn't count on it with you guys around!

I'll go and have a look for a question.

All the best

Rowan

P.S. That array of rockets looks exciting! I'm definitely going to check out the Walkaround! If we start a petition, what do you reckon are the chances of getting Classic Airframes to do these as 1/48 kits?
PolarBear
_VISITCOMMUNITY
Västra Götaland, Sweden
Joined: February 23, 2005
KitMaker: 820 posts
AeroScale: 629 posts
Posted: Monday, July 11, 2005 - 10:06 AM UTC

Quoted Text

...what do you reckon are the chances of getting Classic Airframes to do these as 1/48 kits?



Merlin,

For more pictures, have a look at http://www.avrosys.nu/aircraft/ (both under propeller AND jet aircraft!!) :-)

I can only wish for more Swedish aircraft kits (even though I'm partial to 1/72). Given the beatiful subjects of Classic Airframes (their new line of Vampires is sure to please any builder of Swedish aircraft as well as anglofiles and a whole bunch of others), I'm sure that they would produce an excellent J 21. - I'll sign the petition (and for 1/72 scale, I'll sign twice)!

To my knowledge the only kit of the SAAB J 21A is Hellers old 1/72 (haven't built it myself, yet), see http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=HE80261 . There is also a vacuform conversion for the J 21R from Broplan (available at http://www.rebell.com

Cheers!!!
Merlin
Staff MemberSenior Editor
AEROSCALE
#017
_VISITCOMMUNITY
United Kingdom
Joined: June 11, 2003
KitMaker: 17,582 posts
AeroScale: 12,795 posts
Posted: Monday, July 11, 2005 - 10:26 AM UTC
Cheers PolarBear

I'll check out those extra links.

Ok - for the next question I'll try something a bit different from my usual approach; I'll call it The Great Zoom-Out. I'll start with a close-up of an aircraft and zoom-out if no-one can identify it - why do I think that won't be necessary?! :-)

Here you go - what aircraft is this?:



All the best

Rowan
PolarBear
_VISITCOMMUNITY
Västra Götaland, Sweden
Joined: February 23, 2005
KitMaker: 820 posts
AeroScale: 629 posts
Posted: Monday, July 11, 2005 - 10:28 AM UTC
I found another very extensive walkaround of the J 21R , see http://www.philsaeronauticalstuff.com/saabj21r/saabj21r.html Loads of details! Perfect for any modeller!!

And then there is this rather funny picture from http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fww2/j21.html (Saab automobiles have always loved to show their heritage)


*o*
Merlin
Staff MemberSenior Editor
AEROSCALE
#017
_VISITCOMMUNITY
United Kingdom
Joined: June 11, 2003
KitMaker: 17,582 posts
AeroScale: 12,795 posts
Posted: Monday, July 11, 2005 - 10:34 AM UTC
LOL! I thought you were straight back with an answer to my question! Still.... can't be long!

All the best

Rowan
PolarBear
_VISITCOMMUNITY
Västra Götaland, Sweden
Joined: February 23, 2005
KitMaker: 820 posts
AeroScale: 629 posts
Posted: Monday, July 11, 2005 - 10:38 AM UTC
Merlin,

Could it possibly be the supercharger/exhust turbine of a Lockheed P-38 Lightning?!?:-)

Or am I thinking to much "twin-boom"?

Cheers!