Hi guys , A while back I saw a post on ideas for the next airplane campaign I wanted to put my 2 cents in " Bombs Away " show the power
of day light precision bombing.
Any plane ( as long as it's a bomber) but I'm thinking Army Airforce myself
any time period WW1 to present. Any nation.
All scales welcome
X factor nothing says I love you like an open bomb bay...
this campaign would need a leader and I wouldnt know how.
but come on be a part of " the most distructive groop to ever be asembled by man kind"
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Campaign Idea " Bombs away "
TreeCat
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Posted: Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 01:51 AM UTC
Snowhand
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Posted: Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 02:19 AM UTC
Sounds like a good plan When the time comes, count me in.
PolarBear
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Posted: Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 03:43 AM UTC
Excellent idea!
I'm in if and when it starts!
I'm in if and when it starts!
Posted: Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 02:30 AM UTC
I'll join,
TreeCat
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Posted: Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 06:05 AM UTC
okay good to know the idea didnt die .But I have been thinking about the fact that not all bombers have bomb bay doors that would limet this project . So added x factor if your bomber has external stores we want bombs smart or dumb . Also airfield trucks, follow me
jeeps, bomb cart should be welcome I think.
Time frame December 7 2005 start date till VJ day 06
still need a fearless leader.
jeeps, bomb cart should be welcome I think.
Time frame December 7 2005 start date till VJ day 06
still need a fearless leader.
Posted: Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 06:21 AM UTC
Hi Treecat
The timescale should fit in well with the current moratorium on official Campaigns - the plan is for them to kick off again in the New Year. Keep an eye on the Campaign page nearer the time and submit Bombs Away for approval - it'll be great to have an Aircraft Campaign in at the start.
It's very tempting... I'll join in and at least there's plenty of time to think what to enter.
All the best
Rowan
The timescale should fit in well with the current moratorium on official Campaigns - the plan is for them to kick off again in the New Year. Keep an eye on the Campaign page nearer the time and submit Bombs Away for approval - it'll be great to have an Aircraft Campaign in at the start.
It's very tempting... I'll join in and at least there's plenty of time to think what to enter.
All the best
Rowan
Posted: Monday, August 15, 2005 - 08:25 AM UTC
Mmmmmm, I feel a B-24 Liberator coming on
Mal
Mal
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Posted: Monday, August 15, 2005 - 08:40 AM UTC
So are we thinking it has to be a dedicated bomber? A P47 carrying a bombload would not qualify as it has no bomb bay doors?
Posted: Monday, August 15, 2005 - 08:41 AM UTC
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Mmmmmm, I feel a B-24 Liberator coming on
Mal
Wow Mal! You are seeing big! Is it the 1/48 Revell/Monogram one! With RAISED panel lines!!!
I think I would join in with Flashbacks 1/48 kit of the SM-79 Sparviero. That would make one motor less than the B-24! :-)
Jean-Luc
Posted: Monday, August 15, 2005 - 09:32 AM UTC
Hmmm... looking up at the shelves, I just spotted Accurate Miniatures' B-25 Mitchell... that might be fun to do!
All the best
Rowan
All the best
Rowan
warvos
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Posted: Monday, August 15, 2005 - 09:48 AM UTC
I have a 1/48 a-26 b invader that screams to be built. STarting somewhere in Januari would be perfect. It's been about 8 years since I built my last aircraft.. this should bring back good old memories...
Count me in, I should be able to have finished my entry for the dreadnought campaign by then.
Count me in, I should be able to have finished my entry for the dreadnought campaign by then.
PolarBear
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Posted: Monday, August 15, 2005 - 10:20 AM UTC
I'm going for...
...wait for it...
...a Swedish AF (surprise !!) B 16 Caproni Ca 313 bomber purchased from Italy late 1939.
It is truly going to be a challenge! It has 100+ window frames, the camouflage is out of this world (I've never tried mottling before...), it is going to be based on the ancient Italeri kit, and the scale - of course - is going to be 1/72!!
But hey! No guts, no campaign ribbon
...wait for it...
...a Swedish AF (surprise !!) B 16 Caproni Ca 313 bomber purchased from Italy late 1939.
It is truly going to be a challenge! It has 100+ window frames, the camouflage is out of this world (I've never tried mottling before...), it is going to be based on the ancient Italeri kit, and the scale - of course - is going to be 1/72!!
But hey! No guts, no campaign ribbon
jRatz
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Posted: Monday, August 15, 2005 - 01:33 PM UTC
The proposal cites "power of daylight precision bombing" which excludes a whole class of heavy bomber, thinking specifically of the British night bombers in WW2. There are other examples of either non-daylight, or non-precision aircraft.
I'd suggest this be tightened up a bit - are we dealing with heavy, medium, light ? or strategic, tactical ? how about special ops ? or what ?
John
I'd suggest this be tightened up a bit - are we dealing with heavy, medium, light ? or strategic, tactical ? how about special ops ? or what ?
John
PolarBear
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Posted: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 10:34 AM UTC
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John wrote
I'd suggest this be tightened up a bit - are we dealing with heavy, medium, light ? or strategic, tactical ? how about special ops ? or what ?
Personally, I think that bomb bays are a good "X factor", ruling out smaller aircraft not specifically designated as bombers. I want to see those big Lancasters, Liberators and others, that seldom are shown on this forum!
Darktrooper
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Posted: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 10:41 AM UTC
Fonderie Miniature has the Handley-Page Halifax Mk. III Heavy Bomber for those interested.
TreeCat
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Posted: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 11:04 AM UTC
Hi guys please exuse my patton like moment of exluding the contributions of or british allies by all means bring you Lancaster that was a mistake on my part.
Nitro
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Posted: Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 05:53 AM UTC
Hello, it seems like a nice idea to me, I have a 1/48th F-117 somewhere around that's waiting to be made, this would really be the moment to do it
Greetings, Nitro
Greetings, Nitro
Posted: Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 08:36 AM UTC
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So are we thinking it has to be a dedicated bomber? A P47 carrying a bombload would not qualify as it has no bomb bay doors?
Was just wondering if Shermies question was answered, I think it was but, just for clarity would external bombs be allowed??
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Posted: Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 09:11 AM UTC
Mmmm... is there any campaign I do not like???
I'm thinking of RAF planes that bombed the Philips factories in my hometown during the second worldwar, like the Mosquito's, Bostons (?), Wellingtons, Halifax... choice enough... :-)
I'm thinking of RAF planes that bombed the Philips factories in my hometown during the second worldwar, like the Mosquito's, Bostons (?), Wellingtons, Halifax... choice enough... :-)
Tigercat
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Posted: Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 09:15 AM UTC
Personally I would classify a P-47 as a fighter bomber (Jabo). If the campaign is going to allow WWI bombers then external loads must be allowed. Just my opinion
David
David
Posted: Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 09:37 AM UTC
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Mmmm... is there any campaign I do not like???
I'm thinking of RAF planes that bombed the Philips factories in my hometown during the second worldwar, like the Mosquito's, Bostons (?), Wellingtons, Halifax... choice enough... :-)
Welcome to our "Campaign Junkie"!
I was wondering you didn't show up here Paul! :-)
There is also a nightfighter group build not far away...
Jean-Luc
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Posted: Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 02:18 PM UTC
Guys, this is Armorama, not Fine Scale Modeler -- we have to have some standards for builds.
My opinion(s).
The intention of this build, if not initially well stated, appears to have been "Bombers", so a good discriminator is that the aircraft would be a purpose-designed & built "Bomber".
Thus, internal vs external load doesn't matter (ie, most all WW1 bombers were external load).
Thus, fighter bombers don't count -- that;s a fighter (purpose & design) with some bombs added on.
Now we need to parse further into the intent -- the "daylight precision bombing" would imply the intent is for "heavy" bombers conducting strategic bombing campaigns/operations and could include "mediums", but probably not "light" bombers which are tactical and would probably eliminate various naval bombers such as dive, torpedo, etc ...
We have already sorted out that "daylight precision" eliminates ceratin aircraft that are designed & built as "bombers" to conduct strategic bombing.
One has to be careful to look at the combination of aircraft & intent -- the Germans in WW2 did not have a true "heavy" bomber of any importance, so their twin-engine He-111 & Ju-88 , which would probably only classify as "medium" in US/Brit terminology, would be eligible. I think smae cou;ld be said for some Japanese bombers in WW2, and for many other aircraft regardless of era & country & etc.
Hope this helps ...
John
My opinion(s).
The intention of this build, if not initially well stated, appears to have been "Bombers", so a good discriminator is that the aircraft would be a purpose-designed & built "Bomber".
Thus, internal vs external load doesn't matter (ie, most all WW1 bombers were external load).
Thus, fighter bombers don't count -- that;s a fighter (purpose & design) with some bombs added on.
Now we need to parse further into the intent -- the "daylight precision bombing" would imply the intent is for "heavy" bombers conducting strategic bombing campaigns/operations and could include "mediums", but probably not "light" bombers which are tactical and would probably eliminate various naval bombers such as dive, torpedo, etc ...
We have already sorted out that "daylight precision" eliminates ceratin aircraft that are designed & built as "bombers" to conduct strategic bombing.
One has to be careful to look at the combination of aircraft & intent -- the Germans in WW2 did not have a true "heavy" bomber of any importance, so their twin-engine He-111 & Ju-88 , which would probably only classify as "medium" in US/Brit terminology, would be eligible. I think smae cou;ld be said for some Japanese bombers in WW2, and for many other aircraft regardless of era & country & etc.
Hope this helps ...
John
Posted: Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 07:21 PM UTC
Hi John!
I agree! This should be a group build for heavies!
I have nothing against single prop aircrafts... but we already see so many of them around the forums!
So let's see the B-17s, B-24s, Lancasters, Halifax, Stirlings, He 111s, He 177s, Bettys, Sparvieros or other at least twin engined BIGGER aircrafts! Just to see something different!
Just an opinion...
Jean-Luc
I agree! This should be a group build for heavies!
I have nothing against single prop aircrafts... but we already see so many of them around the forums!
So let's see the B-17s, B-24s, Lancasters, Halifax, Stirlings, He 111s, He 177s, Bettys, Sparvieros or other at least twin engined BIGGER aircrafts! Just to see something different!
Just an opinion...
Jean-Luc
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Posted: Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 08:26 PM UTC
Heavy bombers only than?
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Posted: Friday, August 19, 2005 - 05:17 AM UTC
Can first time poster join in on this? I have a Tamiya 1/48 Lancaster that needs a reason to be finished