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Posted: Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 04:14 AM UTC
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Posted: Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 04:34 AM UTC
Here is the outside bottom of the same wallpanel.After doing the pin and pencil routine,I took a small burr on a rotary shaft and roughed up the boards near where they come in close contact with the ground outside.I want to show the ground a little uneven where it runs along the concrete foundation.The boards will also have a fungus/mossy green look at the very bottom.Sounds like fun huh!
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Posted: Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 05:02 AM UTC
Hi John:
Sounds like fun matey. As always, I look forward to see more inspiring pictures from you....
Sounds like fun matey. As always, I look forward to see more inspiring pictures from you....
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Posted: Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 08:21 PM UTC
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Posted: Saturday, November 18, 2006 - 09:23 PM UTC
Here I have begun working a bit with the Raw umber.The top portion of the panel has just the pin and pencil and toothbruck flicking techniques.From the mid portion on down,i have taken a very small round brush and with some watery raw umber filled each individual hole so that it swells level and diffuses a little color around each hole.It is important to let the holes wick up the watery mix.Take advantage of the fact that you are using raw, dry wood ,for example at the bottom touch the the ends of the boards with your watery mix and let the wood wick it up just like it would do in nature.When weathering try as much as possible to follow mother natures routine in the aging process.For example:rust would show later in the process than plain crud,moss and fungus still later.For those who maybe worried about the wood not being sealed, you could I suppose, use a spray fixative over your finished panel.(I am not too worried about this as these dioramas are going to a controlled enviroment.)
I find that these panels can be a lot of fun to do if you treat each one as a little artists canvas of its own.Gather lots of reference material and be creative.Make each one a little different as they can be subject to different weathering and lighting in real life.Also keep in mind ,as in my case,the buildings' modules could have been added at different times in the history of your diorama.Smaller buildings and trim could be painted, while large outdoor wallpanels could be left subject to more weathering.Also there could be a cost factor invovled in not completely painting the large main structure.
This is the great thing about diorama making, the learning just goes on and on and there is no time to get bored.It incorporates just about every aspect of modeling and a lot what is called "ART" too.Hope your havin' as much fun as I am.
Cheers! John.
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I find that these panels can be a lot of fun to do if you treat each one as a little artists canvas of its own.Gather lots of reference material and be creative.Make each one a little different as they can be subject to different weathering and lighting in real life.Also keep in mind ,as in my case,the buildings' modules could have been added at different times in the history of your diorama.Smaller buildings and trim could be painted, while large outdoor wallpanels could be left subject to more weathering.Also there could be a cost factor invovled in not completely painting the large main structure.
This is the great thing about diorama making, the learning just goes on and on and there is no time to get bored.It incorporates just about every aspect of modeling and a lot what is called "ART" too.Hope your havin' as much fun as I am.
Cheers! John.
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Posted: Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 02:31 AM UTC
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Posted: Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 02:53 AM UTC
this is about as far as I am going to take it for now.Any additional weathering will be done after I put it together.
Here i have taken a little watery burnt sienna and added a little rust to some of the nailheads.Be careful not to overdo it.I then took a touch of burnt sienna pastel and softened the look a bit.You can continue to shade some of the boards with grey or black or even add some brown if your boards look too grey.I took some very light green pastel and dusted up the windows a bit.I also added a little darker green at the very bottom of the boards to represent a little moss, I am not yet totally happy with the moss color but it gives you an idea about what I am talking about.
In the next pic you can see some of the tools that I have been using.
Here i have taken a little watery burnt sienna and added a little rust to some of the nailheads.Be careful not to overdo it.I then took a touch of burnt sienna pastel and softened the look a bit.You can continue to shade some of the boards with grey or black or even add some brown if your boards look too grey.I took some very light green pastel and dusted up the windows a bit.I also added a little darker green at the very bottom of the boards to represent a little moss, I am not yet totally happy with the moss color but it gives you an idea about what I am talking about.
In the next pic you can see some of the tools that I have been using.
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Posted: Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 03:19 AM UTC
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Posted: Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 09:29 PM UTC
Office module
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Posted: Sunday, November 19, 2006 - 09:47 PM UTC
This is an old pic of the unfinished office module.I posted it so that you could see how a more painted type finish could be weathered.The weathering is not yet completed but will be much more subtle than the engine shop out back.I figure that is they were going to go to the expense of completely painting any of the structures it would probably be this office.The exterior is an off-white put on in thin washes.Nailheads could in this case be covered with paint except maybe at the very bottom and a few more only lightly rusted here and there to add a little interest.
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Posted: Monday, November 20, 2006 - 10:13 PM UTC
Update!
I have a friend who is a very well known author of many books dealing with Canadian aviation history who I contacted the other day in regard to this airplane.He is in constant contact with museum officals and others in the Canadian aviation community and his response was "What Fokker in Knowlton" He wasn't even aware that one existed! Tells you something about the state of affairs here in the G.W.N. doesn't it.
I have a friend who is a very well known author of many books dealing with Canadian aviation history who I contacted the other day in regard to this airplane.He is in constant contact with museum officals and others in the Canadian aviation community and his response was "What Fokker in Knowlton" He wasn't even aware that one existed! Tells you something about the state of affairs here in the G.W.N. doesn't it.
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Posted: Monday, November 20, 2006 - 10:40 PM UTC
For your info(from the aerodrome.com)
This definitely wouldn't have been made too late for the war. Fact is is that it was as close to a factory fresh example when delivered. It would be different matter if it was, like the Munich D.VII, a much later Dutch built version, modified back to an earlier variant, but still having some of the later postwar anomalies. Also, the Swiss D.VIIs are post-war mods as well and not of wartime manufacture. Since this is built by a licensed manufacturer it IS the only basically untouched original one left. Since it bears an original military serial number it was ordered during the war to fulfil a wartime contract.
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Posted: Monday, November 20, 2006 - 11:01 PM UTC
QUOTE(mike in calif @ Nov 21 2006, 05:15 PM) *
John, does that DVII have original lozenge cammo? Are there any "Walk-around" style pics of it?
last, how hard would it be to get some?
Go to www.wwi-models.org
see Photo Archives,Germany,Fokker D.VII.(There are 2 sets of photos on this page)
Please help save this treasure!
John, does that DVII have original lozenge cammo? Are there any "Walk-around" style pics of it?
last, how hard would it be to get some?
Go to www.wwi-models.org
see Photo Archives,Germany,Fokker D.VII.(There are 2 sets of photos on this page)
Please help save this treasure!
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Posted: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 11:00 AM UTC
If memory serves it was recovered in 1978. The lozenge then was done by silk screen...I'll go back to the reference stack in the dungeon to check.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 09:20 PM UTC
Fokker D.VII ,a repeat of CF-TGE?
I took the time to bring myself up to speed on what is now the latest national heritage fiasco invovling the old TCA Super Connie CF-TGE.Everybody claims to have the best interests of this airplane at heart but somehow the whole thing just does not seem to pass the "smell test" when it comes to full dislosure of the financial side of this deal.
This is exactly the state of limbo that we could find ourselves in when it comes to the Fokker if it is left only in the hands of government bureaucrats and unknown middlemen.Forums such as this can help raise public awareness as we have no vested interest in this other than a love for old airplanes.To those who say "don't worry,be happy" I have some land in Florida that you might be interested in.
I took the time to bring myself up to speed on what is now the latest national heritage fiasco invovling the old TCA Super Connie CF-TGE.Everybody claims to have the best interests of this airplane at heart but somehow the whole thing just does not seem to pass the "smell test" when it comes to full dislosure of the financial side of this deal.
This is exactly the state of limbo that we could find ourselves in when it comes to the Fokker if it is left only in the hands of government bureaucrats and unknown middlemen.Forums such as this can help raise public awareness as we have no vested interest in this other than a love for old airplanes.To those who say "don't worry,be happy" I have some land in Florida that you might be interested in.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 10:09 PM UTC
Help!
I am now finishing up the engine room wall panels and about to start on the furniture.If anyone has any pics of a room such as this please advise.
In my imagination I can see lots of parts and pieces laying around and storage space for various nuts and bolts.This shop is designed for light maintenance and not major overhauls.There already is a lathe in the carpenters shop but maybe a nice drill press would be in order.Got any pictures?
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I am now finishing up the engine room wall panels and about to start on the furniture.If anyone has any pics of a room such as this please advise.
In my imagination I can see lots of parts and pieces laying around and storage space for various nuts and bolts.This shop is designed for light maintenance and not major overhauls.There already is a lathe in the carpenters shop but maybe a nice drill press would be in order.Got any pictures?
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Posted: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 10:23 PM UTC
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Posted: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 - 10:39 PM UTC
This is the lathe in the woodworking shop .This whole idea evolved from a pic that a fellow sent me of a shop in a museum in Sweden ,I think it was.The storage space for the woodworkers carving tools etc... and the prop being given its final coats of varnish all came from that picture.
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Posted: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 08:53 PM UTC
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Posted: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 - 09:03 PM UTC
A Blast from the Past!
Once in awhile I like to post pics that have never been posted before for those who are building or are comtemplating building the Nieuport 28 or Albatros in 1/16th scale.I hope you find them helpful as I know I sure did like seeing pics of other guys work when I was building mine.
Once in awhile I like to post pics that have never been posted before for those who are building or are comtemplating building the Nieuport 28 or Albatros in 1/16th scale.I hope you find them helpful as I know I sure did like seeing pics of other guys work when I was building mine.
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Posted: Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 04:14 AM UTC
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This is the lathe in the woodworking shop .This whole idea evolved from a pic that a fellow sent me of a shop in a museum in Sweden ,I think it was.The storage space for the woodworkers carving tools etc... and the prop being given its final coats of varnish all came from that picture.
I reommend a pile of sawdust on the floor and some mild staining on the wood surfaces...oil and etc. Maybe the stand alone table should be painted in the Reid & Sons blue?
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Posted: Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 04:17 AM UTC
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Posted: Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 04:23 AM UTC
Meet Hooter the barn owl!
I picked up Hooter ,the barn owl at a local dollar store.He is pretty well modeled in pewter and easily fits into 1/16th scale.After I remove the foliage from his feet, I plan to paint him in barn owl colors and perch him somewhere up in the hangars rafters.
I picked up Hooter ,the barn owl at a local dollar store.He is pretty well modeled in pewter and easily fits into 1/16th scale.After I remove the foliage from his feet, I plan to paint him in barn owl colors and perch him somewhere up in the hangars rafters.
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Posted: Friday, November 24, 2006 - 02:51 AM UTC
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Posted: Friday, November 24, 2006 - 08:07 PM UTC
Engine room doors