Way to go! Danner. Welcome on board. I am thinking of joining this one as well. Especially if it turns into a "real" campaign. Well, a have a few birds to do before then anyway, but it is still early days.

Will this be strictly Russian or will it be Warsaw Pact. I ask because I have markings for a 4-tone Afghan aircraft that is calling out to me...

I think that since the interest level is so high for the Warsaw pact aircraft that we should definately include them. Perhaps the campaign could be for any aircraft designed by the Soviet Union / Russia or any aircraft that flew for the Soviet Union / Russia (Lend-Lease aircraft from WWII in particular). That way, hopefully all the aircraft from the Warsaw Pact nations will be included.

As far as the dates, it sounds like most would like a 12 month campaign. I think that will relieve a lot of pressure and make this a fun build, so I am in total agreement.

I'm not sure if most of the campaigns have limits on whether the build will be out of the box or allow some PE and resin, but my personal opinion is to put no limit on the amount of detail one wants to add. If you wanna go OOB go for it, and if you wanna scratchbuild then do it to your heart's desire...haha.

So Jean-Luc, you think we can make this a go? :-)

Hi Todd and Mark

as we are just talking about possibilities .. I would keep it to Red stars on the fin or fuselage. We already have a Cold War campaign (IIRC as there is nothing to be seen on the campaigns page) so there is a place for all Warsaw Treaty a/c .. also there is the Vietnam campaign.

I think the fun here would be to keep it soviet/russian ....

just my opinion

best wishes

Steffen

Hi there

I agree with Stefan there - it'd be more fun kept to a Soviet/Russian airforce build. There's plenty of scope for foreign-built a/c, but I'd like to see red stars everywhere!

All the best

Rowan

HI all,

I agree with Steffen, keep it Russian/Soviet. There are so many opportunities to build in this theme it could keep a modeler busy for years. I'm in (after I do the "Tank Buster" and "Guardian Angels" campaigns), I have not build a modern aircraft yet and would love to do a Sukhoi.

-Derek

Otay then, Red stars it is. Sounds good to me guys!

Should I submit a campaign request, or wait for word from Jean-Luc? Sorry, but I don't want to cause the mods any trouble

That's okey dokey too. I found a similar camo scheme for the Red Star.

I will have one or two aircraft to contribute, depending on how long this will last.

Pending the decision as to length of time for the group build/campaign should it be approved, id be interested as i have a choice of long term project to fulfill which im very excited about. 1/32 scale Trumpeter Mig 29 or SU-27, im erring more to the flanker as i have a bucket ful of aires AM bits and PE to add to it.

Just be sure you have a large work space. :-) That's large kit .

Just Russian/Sovjet aircraft is fine with me too. I can build a Warsawa Pact machine anytime anyway. :-) If we're gonna do this around the 90th anniversary of the October Revolution, maybe we can squeeze some history into as well? I don't know much about the VVS or the Sovjet Air Force.... apologize for my ignorance. I still think that we should make it a 12 month thing, so we don't take too much away from the other Campaigns... One more thing, is this something that can be together with the armor/navy and the figure community?
:-) :-)

I think allowing the armor and figure folks would be great. Perhaps this could be an operation so that participants could do some research and perhaps some newbies such as myself could learn better and more useful techniques from the grizzled veterans.

I prefer the year's time frame as well if that is ok with everyone. That way those who are already participating in other group builds can finish those easily and the russian aircraft enthusiasts such as myself can perhaps do more than one model.

I am totally at the mercy of the rest of the board members, because I'm just excited that there's enough interest to have a Russian based group build. As far as everything else such as the time frame I am open to anything.

If anyone with more experience with the campaigns and group builds would like to take the reigns of this, please feel free to. Otherwise I'll be happy to submit the campaign form as long as Jean-Luc says it's ok to go forward with it.

I feel like a little school kid, I'm so excited about doing this...is that strange?

Hi all!

Sorry, I'm a little late on this one!

First let me say it's nice to have so much enthusiasm for a Campaign project. However, I'm afraid I will play the devil's advocate on this one. We already have five "official" Campaigns running now and I don't think it would be reasonable and fair to add one more... In October we had about 60 Campaign suggestions to choose from (see here. We made pools, people voted and we should respect this choice.
Of course this could be an official Campaign proposal for the second half of the year.

If you don't want to wait, you can start an "unofficial" Group Build, but without ribbon and all I'm afraid...

Jean-Luc

I'm content with waiting until the second half of the year. It seems like a lot of people have a lot of stuff on the workbench anyway. In my case, I think the next five months could be used to develop some of my skills which are obviously going to be rusty, then I can hopefully make a little better model.

Thanks Jean-Luc!

I dunno!,,I put a few stripes on a Camel and suddenly you all think Im some sort of lunatic!! :-)

I think this would make a great campaign for the second half of the year.With so many people showing an interest it would be a shame to make it a group build with no ribbon at the end of it.
Ive got a Hasegawa Hurricane with Russian markings that'll be ideal for ths
Anyway,,it'll give me chance to get the other campaign builds done and work on my next secret wacky camouflage project
Nige

MiG-21 2000 Fighter Ground Attack, Russia



The Lahav Division of Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI) has developed the MiG-21 2000 upgraded fighter and ground attack version of the MiG-21 fighter aircraft. The original MiG-21, a short-range interceptor, was manufactured by MAPO MiG (now RAC MiG) of Russia. Over 5000 MiG-21 aircraft have been manufactured, with more than 1000 operational with the air forces of at least 33 countries.

The MiG-21 2000 upgrade provides modifications to the cockpit configuration, avionics architecture and weapons systems, enabling the MiG-21-2000 to compete with Western developed fighters and to make the transition to Western standards. Each modernisation programme is tailored to meet the customer's specific operational and budgetary requirements. The aircraft's original systems and components have been retained wherever mission effectiveness is not compromised.

The first test flight of a Lahav upgraded MiG-21 took place on 24 May 1995, and the new advanced version of this aircraft completed its first test flight in April 1998.

COCKPIT



The MiG-21 2000 cockpit features a new pilot-friendly layout, incorporating a head-up display (HUD), eye-level multi-function colour displays, hands on throttle and stick control (HOTAS), solid-state charge coupled device (CCD) camera, videotape recorder, and one-piece windshield. This design overcomes the shortcomings of the original cockpit layout, which is crowded and lacks most of the desired man-machine interface characteristics.

The MiG-21 2000 can be equipped with a display and sight helmet (DASH) system, supplied by Elbit of Haifa, which enables the pilot to aim the weapons simply by looking at the target. The system works by measuring the pilot's line of sight relative to the aircraft, and transfers the information to the aircraft's sensors, avionics and weapon systems. The helmet displays vital information, such as the missile line of sight, missile status, flight information and warning data, on the visor. The DASH helmet allows the pilot to fly head-up and off-boresight and assists the pilot to detect, identify and shoot earlier.



WEAPONS

IAI Lahav has augmented the original weapons system by introducing a new armament interface and control unit, which enables computerised control and release of weapons, including third- and fourth-generation air-to-air missiles. This system also affords the pilot the ability to use blind attack as well as continuously computed impact point (CCIP) and dive-toss bombing techniques. CCIP bombing involves the deployment of air-to-ground weapons, using the HUD to indicate the impact point for release of the weapons. Dive-toss bombing involves the release of air-to-ground weapons at the end of a steep dive manoeuvre towards the target.

The upgrade package for the MiG-21 gives the aircraft beyond-visual-range capability. The MiG-21 variants are capable of deploying a range of air-to-air weapons on the four underwing pylons, in addition to the AA-2 Atoll air-to-air missile or the anti-radar AA-2C Atoll missile. The Python missile, developed by Rafael in Haifa, is suitable for very close combat and medium-range interception. Python 4 incorporates digital electronics and an advanced multi-frequency seeker with powerful counter countermeasures (ECCM) and background rejection.

In order to enhance the upgraded MiG-21's defensive capabilities, the electronic warfare systems have also been upgraded.

AVIONICS

The avionics system is based on Lahav's integrated modular avionics architecture, which uses a centralised mission and display processor, developed by IAI with the co-operation of Astronautics Co. Israel. In addition, the use of a new inertial navigation and global positioning system (INS/GPS) and air data computer ensures increased navigation and weapons-release accuracy.

If required, the MiG-21 2000 can be fitted with an EL/M-2032 radar, developed by IAI Elta Electronic Industries, based in Ashdod. The radar, which uses a low sidelobe planar array antenna and pulse Doppler beam sharpening, provides all-altitude, all-aspect look-up/look-down and shoot-down capability.



SPECIFICATIONS

Specifications - MiG-21 2000 Fighter Ground Attack, Russia

Dimensions
Length 15.76 metres
approximate height 4.71 metres
maximum speed 1,300 km/hr
takeoff weight 8,725 kg
wing span 7.15 metres
weapon systems
third and fourth generation missiles
Bombs
glass cockpit
head up display (HUD), multi-function colour displays, unified fuel control, hands on throttle and stick control (HOTAS), ccd Camera, video tape recorder, one-piece windshield
Avionics
IAI/elta Multi-mode fire control Radar
ring laser gyroscope (RLG) plus global positioning system (GPS)

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MIG-21 Variants

Ye-2 (NATO: "Faceplate") : Swept-wing prototype.
Ye-4 (I-500) : The first delta wing prototype of the MiG-21.
Ye-5 (NATO: "Fishbed" ) : Delta wing research prototype.
Ye-6 : Three pre-production aircraft.
MiG-21 : The first series of fighters.
MiG-21F (NATO: "Fishbed-B" ) : Single-seat day fighter aircraft. It was the first production aircraft, with 40 machines being made. The MiG-21F was powered by a Tumansky R-11 turbojet engine and armed with two 30-mm NR-30 cannon. Prototype Ye-6T was redesignated MiG-21F.
Ye-50 : Swept-wing research prototype.
Ye-66 : Single-seat version, built for breaking the world speed record.
Ye-66A : Built to break the world altitude record.
Ye-66B :
Ye-76 :
Ye-150: Interceptor prototype, essentially an enlarged MiG-21
Ye-152 (NATO: "Flipper" ) : Bigger than a MiG-21, the Ye-152 'Flipper' was a high-performance aircraft, which achieved at least 3 world records.
MiG-21F-13 (NATO: "Fishbed-C" ) : Single-seat, short-range day fighter. The MiG-21F-13 was the first mass-production model. The MiG-21F-13 was powered by a Tumansky R-11 turbojet engine, it was armed with two Vympel K-13 (AA-2 'Atoll') air-to-air missiles, and one 30-mm NR-30 cannon. The Type 74 is the Indian Air Force designation. The MiG-21F-13 was made in China, and designated Chengdu J-7 or F-7 for export.
MiG-21FL : Export model of the MiG-21PF. Built under licence in India as the Type 77.
MiG-21I (NATO: "Analog" ) : Testbed for the wing design of the Tu-144 (NATO: 'Charger') supersonic transport.
MiG-21SPS : East German version.
MiG-21P (NATO: "Fishbed-D" ) : Single-seat, limited all-weather interceptor fighter. Armed with air-to-air missiles only. Also called "Fishbed-E" by NATO.
MiG-21PF (NATO: "Fishbed-D" ) : Single-seat, limited all-weather fighter, equipped with a RP21 Sapfir radar. The MiG-21PF is the second production model. Prototype Ye-7, Type 76 Indian Air Force designation. Also called "Fishbed-E" by NATO.
MiG-21PF (SPS) (NATO: "Fishbed-E" ) :

Mikoyan Ye-150, a MiG-21 derivativeMiG-21PFM (NATO: "Fishbed-F") : Single-seat, limited all-weather fighter, with upgraded radar and a more powerful engine. Improved version of the MiG-21PFS.
MiG-21PFS (NATO: "Fishbed-F" ) : Single-seat, limited all-weather fighter, with upgraded radar and a more powerful engine.
MiG-21 (NATO: "Fishbed-G" ) : Experimental short take-off and landing aircraft.
MiG-21R (NATO: "Fishbed-H" ) : Single-seat tactical reconnaissance version of the MiG-21PFM.
MiG-21RF (NATO: "Fishbed-J" ) : Single-seat tactical reconnaissance version of the MiG-21MF.
MiG-21S (NATO: "Fishbed-J" ) : Single-seat interceptor fighter version, equipped with an RP-22 radar and an external gun pod. (Incorrectly identified by NATO as the MiG-21PFMA); E-8, Type 88 Indian Air Force designation.
MiG-21SM : Single-seat interceptor fighter version, powered by a Tumansky R-13-300 turbojet engine.
MiG-21PFV : High-altitude version (perekhvatchik forsirovannij visotnij, high-altitude boosted interceptor).
MiG-21M : Export version powered by a Tumansky R-13 turbojet engine. Built under license in India as the Type 96.
MiG-21MF : Export version powered by a Tumansky R-13 turbojet engine.
MiG-21MF (NATO: "Fishbed-J" ) : Single-seat multi-role fighter version, equipped with a RP-22 radar, powered by a Tumansky R-13-300 turbojet engine.
MiG-21SMT (NATO: "Fishbed-K") : Single-seat multi-role fighter version, powered by a Tumansky R-13 turbojet engine. Increased fuel and ECM capability. (E-9, block 94 and 96)
MiG-21bis (NATO: "Fishbed-L") : Single-seat multi-role fighter and ground-attack aircraft. The final production model. This version is powered by a Tumansky R-25-300 turbojet engine.
MiG-21bis (NATO: "Fishbed-N") : Single-seat multi-role fighter and ground-attack aircraft.
MiG-21U (NATO: "Mongol-A" : Two-seat training version of the MiG-21F-13. Type 66 Indian Air Force designation.

MiG-21 Lancer upgradeMiG-21US (NATO: "Mongol-B" : Two-seat training version. Type 68 Indian Air Force designation.
MiG-21UT : Two-seat trainer.
MiG-21UM (NATO: "Mongol-B") : Two-seat training version of the MiG-21MF. Type 69 Indian Air Force designation.
JJ-7 : Two-seat training version of the J-7. FT-7 export designation of the JJ-7.
MiG-21-93 Bison : Upgraded version for the Indian Air Force.
MiG-21 Lancer Upgraded version for the Romanian Air Force.
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Good idea. It should be a formal campaign with ribbon and all! It is a really good idea to make it an operation and so involve the other model communities as well. I would like to participate with both planes and tanks - a small army in its self :-) :-)

Last half of 2007 would be great.

Young Master Nigel. Does it have top be stripes? Or will this one do as well? :-)

Not to take this off topic but I was wondering if the intent of the Staff was to have people submit campaigns lets say three months ahead of time so that they could be voted on and then use the most popular one. For Example, In the WW2 category, to determine second half campaigns starting in July, would we submit campaign ideas in the beginning of April so that they can be voted on in May to start in July? Just wondering since it appears as if the campaigns are now running in 6 month increments. It would aslo be nice to vote on one 12 month campaign to run in association with the others IMO.(Start January-End December)
Sorry to those of you who feel this may be a little off-topic.

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Lucky.....................I double-dares ya hahahaha!


Second half of the year is fine; I'm already committed to the F-14 Campaign, and at the rate I'm able to build right now with....um...ahem...."leadership changes"... at work, and moving work and living spaces every other month [joy of standing up a brand spankin new Army Brigade] I'll be lucky to finish say three or four kits this year, at least to a standard I'll accept for myself.

Hi Patrick!

Yes, I think you should start a new thread for that question. It would be nice to have the opinion of others on that matter.
In the past, Campaigns had to be submitted and were chosen by the staff (only). But since the Campaign submission feature isn't working anymore, we used a pool system for the first 2007 "official" Group Builds. However, I would rather use a mix of the old system and the pool system. Basically people would submit their campaigns via the Campaign Submission tool, the Staff would reduce the number of them to an acceptable list and members could vote for their preferred ones.
But nothing is decided yet. StaffJim is still working on the Campaign Submission features for all sub-sites of the KitMaker Network...

Jean-Luc

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.......And I tripple-dare ye Erik! :-) :-) :-)

Dunno what your all being big girls about?,,straight lines are easy!!!

Nige

How rude! :-) :-) I sent you a PM about the hobby shops in Glasgow Nige....