I might have a go at that Nige. It will have to wait a small while as I am off on a course for a week.
It is certainly interesting to compare even the Lindbergh edition which has no wheel wells, oversized canopy and covered with rivets equal to the Frog Shackleton (one of the few models qualified to be used as a coarse wood rasp) with even the Monogram Razorback or the Otaki/Arii P-47. They look state of the art by comparison.
I have turned up some good reference books on the P-47 as well about South American P-47 users as well as one about the 5th AF in Papua New Guinea focusing on the Thunderbolt.
Cheers
Tony
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Spellbinder99
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Posted: Saturday, October 18, 2008 - 03:39 PM UTC
Tomcat31
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Posted: Sunday, October 19, 2008 - 11:37 AM UTC
Quoted Text
OK So can someone (probably Nige as he's the "oh wise one" of the SIG) list what part numbers in the 1/48 Tamiya kit relate to which type of prop, spinner and blades? I only ask as this may be of use to others? (read I'm now confused Miss Dallas was a P-47D-1-RE (42-7876) and off the top of my head, (away from home for another 3 weeks, no references etc etc ) would have been factory fitted with the 12' Curtiss prop and more than likely received the Curtis Paddle Blade prop as a field modification.
Looking at the photo I posted it appears to show the 12' Curtis.
I have a book at home which list the props fitted to all the batches in the factory. Unfortunately, I don't have a photographic memory
)Cheers
Allen
lampie
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Posted: Monday, October 20, 2008 - 05:34 AM UTC
Hi Allen.
I could give you the information when Im home, and also when I have a Tamiya "M" in front of me which carries 4 different types of prop.
Curtiss short, Curtiss Paddleblade,Hamilton standard and Curtiss Asymetric.
The Curtiss props have the pointed spinner. The short 12' prop is,,well,,the shortest one. The you get the pointed spinner wide blades ( the longer of the two Curtiss props)
Then the Hamilton bladed prop.
All this is from memory, Im currently in Oslo and getting colder and colder as I head north.
Helsinki next, then Stockholm, cold cold cold.
Part numbers?,,No Idea, Im not home for another couple of weeks.Can someone cover this for me cause theres no way I'll remember to answer this one when I get home
Nige
PS,,Allen. The short Curtiss props were replaced with the paddle bladed props in service. In the case of the 56th all the shorter bladed props were replaced by the end of December 1943.
Nige
I could give you the information when Im home, and also when I have a Tamiya "M" in front of me which carries 4 different types of prop.
Curtiss short, Curtiss Paddleblade,Hamilton standard and Curtiss Asymetric.
The Curtiss props have the pointed spinner. The short 12' prop is,,well,,the shortest one. The you get the pointed spinner wide blades ( the longer of the two Curtiss props)
Then the Hamilton bladed prop.
All this is from memory, Im currently in Oslo and getting colder and colder as I head north.
Helsinki next, then Stockholm, cold cold cold.
Part numbers?,,No Idea, Im not home for another couple of weeks.Can someone cover this for me cause theres no way I'll remember to answer this one when I get home
Nige
PS,,Allen. The short Curtiss props were replaced with the paddle bladed props in service. In the case of the 56th all the shorter bladed props were replaced by the end of December 1943.
Nige
Tomcat31
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Posted: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 - 12:14 AM UTC
Thanks Nige, with these descriptions I should be able to work it out from there. Once i do i'll post my findings (hopefully tonight)
Cheers
Allen
Cheers
Allen
Tomcat31
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Posted: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 - 07:38 AM UTC
After going through Niges description and a little bit of Googling this is what I have deduced so far.
The Curtis Short are parts B32 & B33
The Curtis Paddle are parts B34 & B35
The Hamilton standard are parts B36 & B37
This leaves Part G5 & G6 which differs from the sources I found. They are either the props for the Curtis Asymmetric Paddle Blades that was only fitted to the M or the Hamilton Wide Blade. looking at the parts I'm swayed more toward the Curtis Asymmetric Blades as they have the Curtis style spinner as well.
Don't worry I'll remind you when you get back Nige
The Curtis Short are parts B32 & B33
The Curtis Paddle are parts B34 & B35
The Hamilton standard are parts B36 & B37
This leaves Part G5 & G6 which differs from the sources I found. They are either the props for the Curtis Asymmetric Paddle Blades that was only fitted to the M or the Hamilton Wide Blade. looking at the parts I'm swayed more toward the Curtis Asymmetric Blades as they have the Curtis style spinner as well.
Don't worry I'll remind you when you get back Nige
lampie
#029
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Posted: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 - 02:18 AM UTC
The Curtiss props have the longer more pointed spinner and the ones are the shorter stubby ones,( off the top of my head)
I spent last night hanging onto my bunk as we bounced across the Baltic from Stockholm to Helsinki so Im not even quite sure which way is "up" at the moment.
Guess what?,,I get to do that boat ride in reverse tomorrow,,cant wait!
Nige
I spent last night hanging onto my bunk as we bounced across the Baltic from Stockholm to Helsinki so Im not even quite sure which way is "up" at the moment.
Guess what?,,I get to do that boat ride in reverse tomorrow,,cant wait!
Nige
russamotto
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Posted: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 - 11:26 AM UTC
I don't remember if this was covered already. How accurate are the profiles on wings palette.com? They appear to be good profiles and reference points, especially on the P-47 page.
lampie
#029
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Posted: Thursday, October 23, 2008 - 09:10 AM UTC
Quoted Text
I don't remember if this was covered already. How accurate are the profiles on wings palette.com? They appear to be good profiles and reference points, especially on the P-47 page.
Hi Russ.
Generally,P-47 or otherwise, the wings pallete profiles are quite accurate. Usually, if a scheme is featured as a wings pallete then you'll be able to find photographs of the real plane to further research your project.
Nige
lampie
#029
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Posted: Saturday, October 25, 2008 - 08:43 AM UTC
Its been a busy few weeks at the P-47 hanger, but I'm hoping to be able to make an announcement about the future of the P-47 SIG in the next few days.
Some of the sharper eyed members may have noticed some strange "latest posts" appearing over the last couple of weeks.
All will be revealed very soon!
Nige
Some of the sharper eyed members may have noticed some strange "latest posts" appearing over the last couple of weeks.
All will be revealed very soon!
Nige
Spellbinder99
Joined: September 16, 2008
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Posted: Sunday, October 26, 2008 - 05:41 PM UTC
Spent a productive weekend at the local annual model comps selling off excess stash and trading for some more P-47 stuff. Got an old Microscale 1/48 decal sheet No. 48-68 (one of the subjects is the red and white striped tail example the Revell 1/32 Bubbletop used to sport), an Academy 1/48 P-47D (the standard edition) and a very old Airmodel 1/72 scale resin XP-47H kit .
Got some cool other kits not on the Jug theme but did pretty well including Trumpeters 1/24 Spitfire VB Floatplane that I traded for.
Cheers
Tony
Got some cool other kits not on the Jug theme but did pretty well including Trumpeters 1/24 Spitfire VB Floatplane that I traded for.
Cheers
Tony
lampie
#029
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Posted: Monday, October 27, 2008 - 10:56 AM UTC
Very Important Announcement
Hi all.
After 13 months and just under 16'000 views the P-47 SIG thread is now being closed down.
It became obvious quite quickly that a single thread just wasnt enough to collate all the requests for information and reference material so with the kind permision and a great deal of help from The Boss , Jim Starkweather, Aeroscales P-47 SIG now has its very own website within the Kitmaker Group of sites.
I'd like to thank everybody for their help and encouragement in making the thread the huge success it has been, and I hope to transfer that motivation and enthusiasm to the new website
Aeroscale P-47 Special Interest Group
The CAVE TONITRUM Campaign will be running as a P-47 and an Aeroscale campaign and there are more group builds planned for the future.
Other plans for the future include displaying at shows and also making the P-47 SIG into a recognised IPMS sig so enable us to get space at shows such as Scale Model World.
Once again, thanks to everyone for making this thread such a success, and heres to the future
Nige
Hi all.
After 13 months and just under 16'000 views the P-47 SIG thread is now being closed down.
It became obvious quite quickly that a single thread just wasnt enough to collate all the requests for information and reference material so with the kind permision and a great deal of help from The Boss , Jim Starkweather, Aeroscales P-47 SIG now has its very own website within the Kitmaker Group of sites.
I'd like to thank everybody for their help and encouragement in making the thread the huge success it has been, and I hope to transfer that motivation and enthusiasm to the new website
Aeroscale P-47 Special Interest Group
The CAVE TONITRUM Campaign will be running as a P-47 and an Aeroscale campaign and there are more group builds planned for the future.
Other plans for the future include displaying at shows and also making the P-47 SIG into a recognised IPMS sig so enable us to get space at shows such as Scale Model World.
Once again, thanks to everyone for making this thread such a success, and heres to the future
Nige
chris1
Joined: October 25, 2005
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Posted: Monday, October 27, 2008 - 04:36 PM UTC
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO
how cool
Nige you've done some great work
It can only get bigger and better
Chris
how cool
Nige you've done some great work
It can only get bigger and better
Chris
LongKnife
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Posted: Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 06:23 AM UTC
I agree! I've even started to appreciate the big hulk. Great job Nige. 
davegee
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Posted: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 - 02:15 PM UTC
I have yet another confirmation of the black P-47Ms of the 61st FS/56th FG. Col. Vic Bast (ret.), whom I recently came to know, was a squadron mate of Russ Kyler's in WWII. Vic also confirms that the planes were painted matte black. If there was a purple one in the mix, it would have to have been done contrary to the standard order for black painted planes for this squadron.
cheers,
davegee
cheers,
davegee
lampie
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Posted: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 - 10:52 PM UTC
Hi Dave.
Thats great info!
There is a thread devoted to the P-47M 61st FS colours on the Aeroscale -47 SIG website.
This original thread is closed now, as its has evolved into its very own website within the Kitmaker network.
AEROSCALE P-47 SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP WEBSITE
Everything P-47 related can be found here.
Nige
Thats great info!
There is a thread devoted to the P-47M 61st FS colours on the Aeroscale -47 SIG website.
This original thread is closed now, as its has evolved into its very own website within the Kitmaker network.
AEROSCALE P-47 SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP WEBSITE
Everything P-47 related can be found here.
Nige
old-dragon
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Posted: Friday, May 15, 2009 - 03:31 AM UTC
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Hi Tony.
Had you not visited my little corner of the hanger before?
Heres a link to a feature I wrote about my experiences with Alclad.
Alclad Adventures
Nige
Hi nigel, was in the area and decided to drop in.
Per your write up{and a nice one it is at that}, I was wondering if you've ever experimented with different "sheen" base coats? Some day, try this....spray a given test piece with gloss black in one section, then semi gloss, then flat...then when dry, shoot the whole thing with a pass or two of AlcadII chrome and see what it does.....kinda neat. Very subtle....
Carry on sir........
ice32
Joined: March 29, 2006
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Posted: Monday, May 25, 2009 - 02:24 AM UTC
Hi has anyone got any info,pictures of a p-47n called "2 big and too heavy" as im building it would love to have somemore info.
Thanks
Richard
Thanks
Richard
lampie
#029
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Posted: Monday, May 25, 2009 - 05:40 AM UTC
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Hi has anyone got any info,pictures of a p-47n called "2 big and too heavy" as im building it would love to have somemore info.
Thanks
Richard
Richard.
I have posted a couple of photos HERE
The P-47 SIG has now grown into its own website within the Kitmaker Network and can be found HERE
PLEASE use that site for P-47 related questions/builds.
Nige
kerosene
Joined: May 28, 2009
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Posted: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 - 07:55 PM UTC
Hello
I don't know if you can help me. I've been out of modelling for over 20 years, but I have an important project I'd like to do. A friend's father flew Thunderbolts in the Far East at the end of the war, County of Kent squadron 131, sqaudron letters NX, and I would like to make him a present of a good model. He still has his officer's cap on his fridge, and I know that he feels nostalgic for his Thunderbolt days. I see you've built a very nice P47 which is in Far East colours. Could you tell me where you got the kit, paint scheme and decals please?
Many thanks
Phil H
I don't know if you can help me. I've been out of modelling for over 20 years, but I have an important project I'd like to do. A friend's father flew Thunderbolts in the Far East at the end of the war, County of Kent squadron 131, sqaudron letters NX, and I would like to make him a present of a good model. He still has his officer's cap on his fridge, and I know that he feels nostalgic for his Thunderbolt days. I see you've built a very nice P47 which is in Far East colours. Could you tell me where you got the kit, paint scheme and decals please?
Many thanks
Phil H
Merlin
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Posted: Sunday, May 31, 2009 - 07:42 AM UTC
Hi Phil et al
We're going to lock this thread now because the P-47 SIG has proved such a runaway success that it's now got its own website within the Kitmaker Network! Click HERE for our dedicated P-47 Site where any questions can be better answered.
All the best
Rowan
We're going to lock this thread now because the P-47 SIG has proved such a runaway success that it's now got its own website within the Kitmaker Network! Click HERE for our dedicated P-47 Site where any questions can be better answered.
All the best
Rowan
gkimmel80
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Posted: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 - 08:27 AM UTC
FYI: According to the site http://www.aviationartstore.com/pilot_Robert_Johnson.htm
Penrod WAS the name of the Crew Chief of Johnson's, but Sam was his gun armor, not Johnson's middle name. The site also gives some very interesting insite of Robert Johnson.
I read the book P-47 by Johnson. A great read.
Penrod WAS the name of the Crew Chief of Johnson's, but Sam was his gun armor, not Johnson's middle name. The site also gives some very interesting insite of Robert Johnson.
I read the book P-47 by Johnson. A great read.
lampie
#029
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Posted: Thursday, May 24, 2012 - 12:28 PM UTC
Hi Gary.
Sorry, but the information on that website is incorrect.
The armourer on LM-Q was Frank Bridges. You can even see his surname written on his hat in the photo of JC Penrod/Johnson/Bridges on the site.
The author also continually refers to J.C Penrod as "Penfold".
Also, he captions LM-Q as being named "Pinrod", and what also stands out in a very quick read through of the webpage is that in his colour depiction of LM-Q he has the serial number on the tail as "25512" instead of the correct "225512".
As regards his "history" of the 56th,
No idea where he dreamt this one up.
The group arrived in England on Jan 6th 1943.
They trained up at Kingscliffe,( 63rd FS being based at nearby Wittering due to lack of available space at Kingscliffe).
Transferred to Horsham St Faith April 5th, where they began flying combat.
They then moved to Halesworth in July where they stayed until a further move to Boxted in April 1944.
The author also refers to the "Battle Of Britton".
The whole website reads like a school project I'm afraid, and not the work of an "Aviation Historian"
All the best,
Nige
Sorry, but the information on that website is incorrect.
The armourer on LM-Q was Frank Bridges. You can even see his surname written on his hat in the photo of JC Penrod/Johnson/Bridges on the site.
The author also continually refers to J.C Penrod as "Penfold".
Also, he captions LM-Q as being named "Pinrod", and what also stands out in a very quick read through of the webpage is that in his colour depiction of LM-Q he has the serial number on the tail as "25512" instead of the correct "225512".
As regards his "history" of the 56th,
Quoted Text
Finally the group received their orders and they were transferred to Boxed , England in April 1943. The group settled in to this new home and base. Practice flights around England showed Robert a different type of terrain than what he was us to back home.
No idea where he dreamt this one up.
The group arrived in England on Jan 6th 1943.
They trained up at Kingscliffe,( 63rd FS being based at nearby Wittering due to lack of available space at Kingscliffe).
Transferred to Horsham St Faith April 5th, where they began flying combat.
They then moved to Halesworth in July where they stayed until a further move to Boxted in April 1944.
The author also refers to the "Battle Of Britton".
The whole website reads like a school project I'm afraid, and not the work of an "Aviation Historian"
All the best,
Nige
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