World War II: Germany
Aircraft of Germany in WWII.
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Siebel Si204 1/48 MPM
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Posted: Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 04:52 AM UTC
Hi Jean-Luc

that is too bad, but I will keep nagging

I am looking forward to see this finished!

cheers

Steffen
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Posted: Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 11:38 PM UTC
Hi Steffen!


Quoted Text

I will kepp nagging



No Problem, you have the right to...

I finished the camouflage. Here is the painting sequence...



Then I masked the areas where the german markings where overpainted...



And finally the model received a coat of future...



The Siebell is now ready to receive the British roundels...

Jean-Luc
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Posted: Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 11:50 PM UTC
Beautifully done, Captain!! .. I hope the Roundels will ruin the paintjob .. well, not really

You could have corrected the "Miss pelling" in your quote, though. (my mind is a bit faster than the fingers)

Al the best

Steffen
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Posted: Friday, August 15, 2008 - 01:32 AM UTC
Superb job once again!
That preshading really hits the spot on this camo scheme.

On the markings, I personally don't have any objections to the British roundels, but I get the idea. It must look as weird as a Brewster Buffalo in US, British or Dutch markings to me.
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Posted: Friday, August 15, 2008 - 03:59 AM UTC
British markings? Say it ain't so, Ted! Keep it German and I'll dig the next ditch for you- promise! Seriously- this is a beautiful build- congrats!
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Posted: Friday, August 15, 2008 - 05:15 AM UTC

Quoted Text

British markings? Say it ain't so, Ted! Keep it German and I'll dig the next ditch for you- promise! Seriously- this is a beautiful build- congrats!





See, Jean-Luc .. I am not alone ... Many Thanks Chuck, but I guess it is too late.
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Posted: Friday, August 15, 2008 - 07:03 AM UTC
Hi guys!


Quoted Text

I guess it is too late.



Indeed, the Siebel is now officially in British hands...





Don't expect to see the next update soon. I have to place all the small bits, do the panel lines, weathering etc... it will probably take some days.

Jean-Luc
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Posted: Thursday, August 21, 2008 - 10:23 PM UTC
Hi all!

Just a short update to show you that I'm currently fighting with the front glazings...



When I'm finished with this part of the build, it should no be too long before the model is finished.

Jean-Luc
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Posted: Thursday, August 21, 2008 - 10:46 PM UTC
Battle on Jean-Luc. I'll be sad when this build is finished too, I've enjoyed following it.
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Posted: Thursday, August 21, 2008 - 11:01 PM UTC
Hola Jean-Luc

I am always amazed how you make those dogs look like easy models. Really superior skills!!

I still bemoan that you did not use German markings on this .. nag nag

greets

Steffen
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Posted: Saturday, August 23, 2008 - 04:44 AM UTC
I'm having flashbacks to my He111! Very nice, ted- very nice indeed-

chuk
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Posted: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 07:34 AM UTC
Hi all!

Time for another update. I promise it will be the last one before the model is finished.
I did the radar antennas with various rods and left over parts from a scrapped He 219...





I see the end of the tunnel!

Jean-Luc
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Posted: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 07:58 AM UTC
Hi Jean-Luc

please check your refs again. IMO the dipoles have to be on one side if the mounts ...



all on the upper side in this case. Here is da link http://www.warbirdphotographs.com/LCBW4/He219-A7-4.jpg for a better view.

Here is another one http://www.luftarchiv.de/flugzeuge/junkers/ju88nacht.jpg

greets

Steffen
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Posted: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 08:59 PM UTC
Hi Steffen!

Aaargh! Damn... I will change that. Thanks Steffen!

Jean-Luc
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Posted: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 - 09:46 PM UTC
Hi Jean-Luc

Again: Please check your references! ..... was this a German or a British "RADAR" my comment was made assuming it is a German FuG 220. .... you should have made a Geman machine

cheers

Steffen
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Posted: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 06:37 PM UTC
Hi Steffen!

According to the refs I have,this Siebel was equiped with a German FuG 219 radar...

Jean-Luc
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Posted: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 09:40 PM UTC
Hi Jean-Luc

o.k.

I tried to find a pic of that beast online without success. Hope you have a reference how it has to look. (one day I must buy that Bordfunkmeßgeräte book by Trenkle)

Well, at least I found some text:


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FuG 218 “NEPTUN”, R3, J3, V/R, G/R

This set was developed during sumer of 1944 both by Siemens and FFO together, to substitute the SN-2 as the Allies discovered new countermeasures against the latter. It was a derivative of the FuG 217 from which it kept the name. Four versions were provided.

These versions of the “Neptun” had a range of 120 to 5000 m and operated with six fixed frequencies ranging from 158 to 187 mHz. The FuG 218 was mounted in a "X" support similar to the earlier SN-2 antennaes but smaller. The dipoles -of two different lenghts- were mounted on this "X" support which was installed on a single main mast mounted on the centerline of the nose of Ju 88 or Me 110. The support was niknamed Hirschgeweih (Stag's antlers) name also given to the big SN-2 antenna. The Neptun entered service during the last months of 1944 and featured also tail warning capabilities using a small curved mast with two horizontal elements all installed on the tip of the vertical fin. A version with four sets of three in-line vertical antennaes was fitted to some Fw 190 A-6 for “wilde Sau” operations. A further development increased the power of the G/R transmitter from 30 to 100 kW.


FuG 219 “WEILHEIM”

This was a further development of the “Neptun” carried out by Siemens. It operated with a 100 kW power at 172-188 mHz. Its range was supposed to be about 15000 m.

Source: The German Radar



So if you have a Weilheim mounted the forward dipoles should be a little bit shorter that the rear ones ... (?)

All the best

Steffen
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Posted: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 10:15 PM UTC
Furthermore the Neptun dipoles are evenly thick over the whole length and go through the mounts and are not attched sideways as the late Lichtenstein FuG's



All assuming the Weilheim would have the same appearance as the Neptun....

it is the detail that bites you in the a.... had that all too often with my modelling projects.

viele Grüße

Steffen


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Posted: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 10:54 PM UTC
Hi Steffen!

Many thanks for the additional explanations. But I won't do any changes to the antennas anymore even if they are not 100% accurate. I plan to present the model at a German show in october. I wonder how many people will notice that the radar is not completely right...

Here are some pictures of the finished model...











Look at all these blue dressed men around that german aircraft...

Jean-Luc
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Posted: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 11:09 PM UTC

Quoted Text

I plan to present the model at a German show in october. I wonder how many people will notice that the radar is not completely right...



Hi Jean-Luc

looks really great! If only I could do my models as good

As for the "radar" .. all who have read this thread and some experts or you say it was equipped with a Lichtenstein SN2 for test purposes

all the best

Steffen
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Posted: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 11:27 PM UTC
Hi Jean-Luc

Wonderful work - as usual! You never know - a model of such quality might actually start a vacuform revival among our readers!

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 11:37 PM UTC
Hi Rowan

while I agree with most of what you wrote. I cannot on this


Quoted Text

... a model of such quality might actually start a vacuform revival among our readers!



lets rather hope MPM Group will shoot out a new IM model in 1/48 in a not too distant future ...

OTOH I just checked the stash I have here ( about 1/4-1/2 of what I have in total) and there are a lot of beautiful (already started) models to do. ... just fondled that Hasegawa Mc 202 with the FoM set again .. engine already sawed open ...

focus, focus, focus, focus, ... do not start another project

cheers

Steffen
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Posted: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 11:43 PM UTC
Hi Steffen

Well I love vacuforms! Inspired by Jean-Luc, I couldn't resist dragging one of my old 1/48 scale Fw 58 Weihes out of the stash. The only trouble is - I haven't got room (or time) to build it at the moment!

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 - 11:55 PM UTC
Here is another inspiration

Focke Wulf Weihe by Swanny. He has a soft spot for Romanian aircraft (or a buyer who pays good for it).

cheers

Steffen
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Posted: Thursday, August 28, 2008 - 12:33 AM UTC
Hi Steffen

Very nice! But, as much as it pained me, the Weihe had to go firmly back into the stash - another 15 years or so waiting won't do it any harm! It's like a good wine, maturing nicely...

All the best

Rowan