Jason,
Not to knit-pick, but is the angle of he HUD combiner glass a little too vertical? I saw a few recently at the Depot facility on Hill AFB and I swear they appeared more along the lines of the 45 degree-ish glass found on the F-16 WAC and A/B HUDs.
Otherwise the detail you are putting into this thing may not be dead-on but is very cool looking and believable.
Looking forward to seeing it progress.
Keith
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Hasegawa 1/48 F-22 Raptor
woltersk
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Posted: Monday, September 20, 2010 - 01:28 PM UTC
Keeperofsouls2099
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Posted: Monday, September 20, 2010 - 02:00 PM UTC
OK first Its JUSTIN second I must be the target this year so I say again plz point me to the forum where someone has EVERY WIRE EVERY NUT EVERY MARKING EVERY HOSE EVERY SPRING EVERY DATA STICKER EVERY HYDRO LINE that is on the real thing................................................ANYONE..............................NO...........ANYONE....Ok................DOES ANYONE HAVE AN EXACT REPLICA...........................ANYONE ..................I didn't think so.I did not put at the top of my post that I was trying to be exact at all.And ive never seen one model that was exact myself.
And again here is a pic of the real one looks dead on to me.Think Hasegawa nailed it
Keeperofsouls2099
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Posted: Monday, September 20, 2010 - 02:28 PM UTC
Ok look I know you are a mechanic on f-16s and probably have alot of good info on them I respect that and I applaud you for serving and I say thank you for your service.
That being said your question combined with the guy from earlier bothers me in the fact that did you see the weapons bay?do you know how many feet of hose and wire are in them?By the time you were done replicating that you would be 70 and would not be able to fit any missles in the bays.I pick out the most prominent details and put them into what I do.If I'm ever at a show and the one guy out of 1000 that attend walks up and notices I have some thing off angle thats fine with me because the other 999 didn't.I do what I do to inspire the kid that sits there and sais"one day I want to do that"or "wow I cant wait to build one of those"and to inspire other modelers.I also never claimed to be the best modeler or a master modeler suddenly I am held to a higher standard for some reason and I dont know why?But I'm beginning to lose the FUN.
That being said your question combined with the guy from earlier bothers me in the fact that did you see the weapons bay?do you know how many feet of hose and wire are in them?By the time you were done replicating that you would be 70 and would not be able to fit any missles in the bays.I pick out the most prominent details and put them into what I do.If I'm ever at a show and the one guy out of 1000 that attend walks up and notices I have some thing off angle thats fine with me because the other 999 didn't.I do what I do to inspire the kid that sits there and sais"one day I want to do that"or "wow I cant wait to build one of those"and to inspire other modelers.I also never claimed to be the best modeler or a master modeler suddenly I am held to a higher standard for some reason and I dont know why?But I'm beginning to lose the FUN.
doubtingthomas
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Posted: Monday, September 20, 2010 - 02:31 PM UTC
Keep going Justin. This is a great build. As many times as I've seen the F-22 at shows, I've never really thought about getting a kit of one. You may change my mind.
As a scale replica rather than a miniaturized object, at some point the detail work on a plastic model inevitably becomes impressionism. That point varies by modeler. For me, that's a great level of detail for 1:48!
As a scale replica rather than a miniaturized object, at some point the detail work on a plastic model inevitably becomes impressionism. That point varies by modeler. For me, that's a great level of detail for 1:48!
Keeperofsouls2099
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Posted: Monday, September 20, 2010 - 02:39 PM UTC
Thanks Tom 
bdanie6
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Posted: Monday, September 20, 2010 - 11:31 PM UTC
Justin,
illigitium non carborundim (don't let the bastards get you down)
As always Justin, no matter who says what, you are doing a fantastic, and inspiring job
As you say, BUILD ON!
illigitium non carborundim (don't let the bastards get you down)
As always Justin, no matter who says what, you are doing a fantastic, and inspiring job
As you say, BUILD ON!
Blade48mrd
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Posted: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 - 04:50 AM UTC
Justin -
First off, you're a credit to the 'Hobby' and very much appreciate your sharing this sweet looking build, outstanding job. Always refreshing to have someone just willing to share and enjoy the "Hobby" for what it is. I really like what you've done in the cockpit, with the seat details, etc. They really bring out an very impressive representation of the actual aircraft. Even working with the F-22, I've very much enjoyed following this build. Keep up the great work, you're doing a teriffic job and thanks for sharing.
Even I don't have an "exact'" replica of the F-22, but we get pretty darn close with our Maintenance Training devices. The actual components that tasks are trained on are "1 to 1" with the actual aircraft, but not everything needs to represented to that detail. This is a picture of the F-22 "Seat and Canopy Trainer" I work with
Blade48mrd
First off, you're a credit to the 'Hobby' and very much appreciate your sharing this sweet looking build, outstanding job. Always refreshing to have someone just willing to share and enjoy the "Hobby" for what it is. I really like what you've done in the cockpit, with the seat details, etc. They really bring out an very impressive representation of the actual aircraft. Even working with the F-22, I've very much enjoyed following this build. Keep up the great work, you're doing a teriffic job and thanks for sharing.
Even I don't have an "exact'" replica of the F-22, but we get pretty darn close with our Maintenance Training devices. The actual components that tasks are trained on are "1 to 1" with the actual aircraft, but not everything needs to represented to that detail. This is a picture of the F-22 "Seat and Canopy Trainer" I work with
Blade48mrd
drabslab
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Posted: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 - 05:01 AM UTC
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Keep going Justin. This is a great build. As many times as I've seen the F-22 at shows, I've never really thought about getting a kit of one. You may change my mind.
As a scale replica rather than a miniaturized object, at some point the detail work on a plastic model inevitably becomes impressionism. That point varies by modeler. For me, that's a great level of detail for 1:48!
Hai,
I think that you are inspiring many people here with a fantastic build
It looks like you have also inspired a few people to tease you
but that ain't a bad thing, as my grandmother used to say "teasing is asking for friendship"
PS: are you planning to upgrade the model with real miniature engines or are you sticking to simple plastic ones??
Keeperofsouls2099
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Posted: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 - 05:06 AM UTC
Thanks Blade48mrd,
I actually compared shots of the trainer and the actual and tried to come as close as I could.The best shots I found were of the pilot that had to be cut out of the cockpit poor dude.Most people dont understand really this is a one off design and the only thing it shares in common with anything (from what Ive read)is the flight controls from the F-16.So theres nothing really to compare it to
I actually compared shots of the trainer and the actual and tried to come as close as I could.The best shots I found were of the pilot that had to be cut out of the cockpit
poor dude.Most people dont understand really this is a one off design and the only thing it shares in common with anything (from what Ive read)is the flight controls from the F-16.So theres nothing really to compare it to Blade48mrd
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Posted: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 - 06:35 AM UTC
Justin -
Yeah, the pilot got a little "antsy" (patience not necessarily a 'pilot' virtue...lol) sitting stuck in there after basically thrashing the canopy actuator. F-22 is definitely unique in many ways, truly an awesome aircraft. Does share the ACES II seat in common with F-15 & F-16 plus some F-22 modifications (hence the designation as "Modified ACES II" for F-22). "Mother" has done some fantastic builds of ejection seats I know. As said, super job and anxious to see more,
Mike
Yeah, the pilot got a little "antsy" (patience not necessarily a 'pilot' virtue...lol) sitting stuck in there after basically thrashing the canopy actuator. F-22 is definitely unique in many ways, truly an awesome aircraft. Does share the ACES II seat in common with F-15 & F-16 plus some F-22 modifications (hence the designation as "Modified ACES II" for F-22). "Mother" has done some fantastic builds of ejection seats I know. As said, super job and anxious to see more,
Mike
Keeperofsouls2099
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Posted: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 - 06:59 AM UTC
@drabslab Very true words my friend.But ask to be a friend or start off friendly instead of bashing me,getting name wrong etc.... any who for the engines I was going to go real but then pictured one igniting and flying out the window and killing the neighbor so I changed my mind.Hasegawas are close enough for me and i had already started and got to far by the time Aires released a bunch of AM for the kit which was just a few days ago. Irony 
@Mike That picture said it all Thank you And yes Sir on the seat I also put that fact in the build review just slipped my mind
OK so on to pictures and an update......
Camo step 2:First I tried the blu-tack method didn't work couldn't get the stuff to stick so I just went back to what i know and it came really good to me.So I used a roll of masking tape,two burritos and this is really important a glass of sweet tea 
its like my spinach!
I then mixed Model Master Air mobility com.gray and a few drops of black to darken it a shade.Did a 50/50 mix of that with the Raptor sheen and started spraying....
Just a note the Raptor sheen acts like metalizer when dries theres a metallic residue but this actually helps with the effect when finished take a cloth and wipe in the direction of air flow and it brings the sheen out a little more.so I will let dry for a little while and hit it with future again.Then begin masking for stage 3 of the camo process.
any who for the engines I was going to go real but then pictured one igniting and flying out the window and killing the neighbor so I changed my mind.Hasegawas are close enough for me and i had already started and got to far by the time Aires released a bunch of AM for the kit which was just a few days ago. Irony @Mike
That picture said it all Thank you And yes Sir on the seat I also put that fact in the build review just slipped my mind OK so on to pictures and an update......
Camo step 2:First I tried the blu-tack method didn't work couldn't get the stuff to stick so I just went back to what i know and it came really good to me.So I used a roll of masking tape,two burritos and this is really important a glass of sweet tea
its like my spinach!I then mixed Model Master Air mobility com.gray and a few drops of black to darken it a shade.Did a 50/50 mix of that with the Raptor sheen and started spraying....
Just a note the Raptor sheen acts like metalizer when dries theres a metallic residue but this actually helps with the effect when finished take a cloth and wipe in the direction of air flow and it brings the sheen out a little more.so I will let dry for a little while and hit it with future again.Then begin masking for stage 3 of the camo process.
woltersk
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Posted: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 - 01:23 PM UTC
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Ok look I know you are a mechanic on f-16s and probably have alot of good info on them I respect that and I applaud you for serving and I say thank you for your service.
That being said your question combined with the guy from earlier bothers me in the fact that did you see the weapons bay?do you know how many feet of hose and wire are in them?By the time you were done replicating that you would be 70 and would not be able to fit any missles in the bays.I pick out the most prominent details and put them into what I do.If I'm ever at a show and the one guy out of 1000 that attend walks up and notices I have some thing off angle thats fine with me because the other 999 didn't.I do what I do to inspire the kid that sits there and sais"one day I want to do that"or "wow I cant wait to build one of those"and to inspire other modelers.I also never claimed to be the best modeler or a master modeler suddenly I am held to a higher standard for some reason and I dont know why?But I'm beginning to lose the FUN.
Oops Sorry Justin,
I have no idea where I got Jason from....must be old age. My sincerest apologies.
I also wasn't sure about the HUD angle which is why I posed it is a question. Seeing your reference pic I see that you are correct AND I see why I thought the angle was wrong. The HUD chassis sits at a downward angle on the airframe, while on the test bench holding fixture it sits level, which puts the glass at an angle--again, my mistake.
Your build is great, better work than I do (for proof take a gander at my photo gallery).
Model on, ignore us ignoramuses, and ENJOY!!!!!!!
Keith
Keeperofsouls2099
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Posted: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 - 02:16 PM UTC
Perfectly OK and I apologize I took it the wrong way.The other guy just ticked me off and I was still venting again I'm sorry and look forward to modeling with you.
mother
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Posted: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 - 02:40 PM UTC
She's looking great, love the masking job.
Happy Modeling,
Joe
Happy Modeling,
Joe
Keeperofsouls2099
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Posted: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 - 03:21 PM UTC
Thanks Joe
JBarAUS
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Posted: Saturday, September 25, 2010 - 02:51 AM UTC
This is an awesome build mate - I love what you are doing with it. I'll be following it closely - I have just ordered an Aires cockpit set for my Academy F-22 then I'll be into it. Keep up the good work.
ViperEnforcer
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Posted: Saturday, September 25, 2010 - 07:08 AM UTC
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@drabslab Very true words my friend.But ask to be a friend or start off friendly instead of bashing me,getting name wrong etc....
For the record, I wasn’t bashing you, but offering suggestions and certainly wasn’t as brash your previous stab at me was. After all, I did spend 6 years on the Raptor program, so it’s not like I don’t have a clue on what I am talking about.
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The other guy just ticked me off and I was still venting again I'm sorry and look forward to modeling with you.
Trust me, the feeling was mutual
Too bad you had to take my post the wrong way, as I thought this was great build thread on a rather cool subject matter.
Mike V
Keeperofsouls2099
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Posted: Saturday, September 25, 2010 - 08:41 AM UTC
I have let it go and thats where I will leave itKeeperofsouls2099
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Posted: Sunday, September 26, 2010 - 01:00 PM UTC
Nothing much to report at this point mostly doing assembly of the bay doors and landing gear.Theres a couple of places where I didn't get a good coat of future on.When I removed the mask It pulled a couple small spots of paint up.so I will go back fix this let dry for a day or two then come back and start camo stage 3.post pics soon
Tojo72
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Posted: Monday, September 27, 2010 - 02:07 AM UTC
This is really coming out great,thanks for all the great instructions !!
drabslab
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Posted: Monday, September 27, 2010 - 07:48 AM UTC
hey
I just noticed that you left the tail aside.
Is this for easier painting and masking?
I have never done this, is there a big benefit or is it something only required for this particular model?
I just noticed that you left the tail aside.
Is this for easier painting and masking?
I have never done this, is there a big benefit or is it something only required for this particular model?
Keeperofsouls2099
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Posted: Monday, September 27, 2010 - 12:48 PM UTC
Drab I left them separate because the paint scheme is so intricate it was much easier to mask with them set aside
Keeperofsouls2099
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Posted: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 - 12:14 PM UTC
you scream we scream we all scream for progress I finally finished phase three of the camo scheme Using model master light ghost gray and a 50/50 mix of raptor sheen(which by the way I am almost out of so if you want it to have more sparkle get two bottles)and almost a whole roll of masking tape here are the results hope you like Oh i almost forgot Drab asked where the stabilizers and tail section were so I temporally placed them on so you guys could get a better view.
Still along way to go but this was a big chunk done
I finally finished phase three of the camo scheme Using model master light ghost gray and a 50/50 mix of raptor sheen(which by the way I am almost out of so if you want it to have more sparkle get two bottles)and almost a whole roll of masking tape here are the results hope you like Oh i almost forgot Drab asked where the stabilizers and tail section were so I temporally placed them on so you guys could get a better view.Still along way to go but this was a big chunk done
bdanie6
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Posted: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 - 12:32 PM UTC
Hey Justin, man this is a fantastic build! That thing is just looking fantastic.
I probably should have posted these earlier, but there seemed to be a problem in the thread when I first thought of them. These where taken at MacDill Airfest in 2007
Again, great work, as usual Keeper
Later
I probably should have posted these earlier, but there seemed to be a problem in the thread when I first thought of them. These where taken at MacDill Airfest in 2007
Again, great work, as usual Keeper
Later
Keeperofsouls2099
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Posted: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 - 12:42 PM UTC
Thanks crap I could have gone oh well maybe they will have one when I do deside to go
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