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Discuss World War I and the early years of aviation thru 1934.
1:32 Roden Siemens Schuckert D.III - early
OEFFAG_153
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Posted: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 - 05:46 AM UTC
Hi Stephen, and thank you for your thoughts and findings (and the relvant quotes from Dan) on the subject. I can certainly see that second or third generation photos would make it hard to tell. Your first hand image is very clear though.

I guess there may be some leeway though, like you say its difficult to vouch for all D.III types, and lower fabric cover would make for an attractive look.

Mikael
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Posted: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 - 05:54 AM UTC
I am hoping to get an authority to chime in here. We will have to wait and see.
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Posted: Saturday, September 21, 2013 - 04:33 PM UTC
Greetings all!

We have a response from Mr. Richard L. Bennett. He has done exhaustive research on these birds and has kindly offered some direct thoughts on this thread.


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"Hi Stephen,
I've attached a patch view from one of my 1:20 scale drawings of the first series D.III. As you can see, you're correct about the cowling openings. There are three 40 x 400 mm slots in the bottom center - they're continuous, but appear to be divided because of the bearing spider underneath. Flanking these openings are two 180 mm circular holes, which, in addition to cooling the engine, provided mechanics with access to spark plugs and the valve rocker arms. They also allowed the mechanics to squirt thinned benzine into the cylinders, part of the standard startup procedure. The perimeters of these openings were edged with 10 mm wide reinforcing doublers.

Regarding the lozenge camouflage, I hesitate to disagree with so redoubtable an expert as Dan-San Abbott, but here goes anyway: I think you're right. The generation of the copy photo, as well as its exposure and darkroom practice, will have a strong influence on its saturation, so I'd consider its appearance as inconclusive. I'm more inclined to assume logical behavior on behalf of SSW. Idflieg stipulated dark lozenge fabric on the upper surfaces and rudder. SSW should have had ample stocks of the dark fabric, so why would they go counter to Idflieg's directive?

There was mention of how the lozenge pattern seemed to be different on the ailerons. On the first series D.IIIs, the fabric was laid onto the upper wing at a 45° angle. In a top view, with the nose at 12 o'clock, the seams run from 10:30 to 4:30, and the run of the pattern reverses between adjacent panels. On the lower wings, elevator and all ailerons, the pattern runs spanwise. Most likely, underside patterns mirrored the upper surfaces, but we don't have any photos to confirm it.

Please feel free to use the sketch and any or all of my comments.

If you have any additional questions, please let me know.
Best regards,
Dick"



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Posted: Saturday, September 21, 2013 - 11:39 PM UTC
Thank you for the details.
I have opened my CMR 1:72 Schuckert to compare cowl to sketch
only to find both early and late are missing!
I will scratch build a cowl
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Posted: Sunday, September 22, 2013 - 02:49 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Thank you for the details.
I have opened my CMR 1:72 Schuckert to compare cowl to sketch
only to find both early and late are missing!
I will scratch build a cowl



Start by altering a Nieuport 17-27 type cowling.
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Posted: Sunday, September 22, 2013 - 04:01 AM UTC
Start by altering a Nieuport 17-27 type cowling.

Thank you Stephen, great info as usual!
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Posted: Sunday, September 22, 2013 - 04:19 AM UTC
Eduard's Nieuport 17 in 1:72 has three cowls in the kit for $13.00!
Off to place an order
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Posted: Monday, September 23, 2013 - 06:28 AM UTC
Great intel Richard & Stephen, this will be very useful for me, and everyone trying to tackle the early Siemens Schuckert D.III.

Thanks for sharing!

Mikael
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Posted: Sunday, December 22, 2013 - 06:41 PM UTC
Here are the attached Loon Models early production wing tips for the Roden kit.
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Posted: Sunday, December 22, 2013 - 07:02 PM UTC
Next the HGW rib tapes are going to be attached to all wing and tail unit upper surfaces.
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Posted: Saturday, February 21, 2015 - 06:03 PM UTC
Finally getting back to these builds. HGW Rib tapes have been added to show some stitching relief like I did on the old Eduard 1/48 kit. Its good to be finally able to finish & clear away some stalled builds.
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Posted: Sunday, March 01, 2015 - 07:58 PM UTC
HGW wood grain decals augmented with some added paint to vary the grain.

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Posted: Sunday, March 01, 2015 - 08:00 PM UTC
PE is never meant to stand alone. Here the rear cockpit screens and seat pans are augmented with .040 thou plastic sheet.

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Posted: Sunday, March 01, 2015 - 08:01 PM UTC
Placement has started.

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Posted: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 - 11:03 AM UTC
Here is the first application.


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Posted: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 - 11:05 AM UTC
To add the chin pan brass remove the plastic louvres first.



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Posted: Sunday, March 08, 2015 - 05:42 AM UTC
Cockpit basics from kit & Brengun PE.


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Posted: Sunday, March 08, 2015 - 05:44 AM UTC
Dick Bennett's sketch. This type of auxilary throttle was on prototype & some early production airframes.

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Posted: Sunday, March 08, 2015 - 05:49 AM UTC
I have heard od a couple of modelers giving up and throwing this kit back in the box or one fellow threw his in the trash Because he says he couldn'y get the lower wing to fit.



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Posted: Sunday, March 08, 2015 - 05:52 AM UTC




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Posted: Sunday, March 08, 2015 - 05:57 AM UTC


Micro Group's effort to build me a SH.IIIa wood laminated propeller. I think this one drove him to needing a vacation.

JackFlash
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Posted: Sunday, March 08, 2015 - 06:02 AM UTC
Same propeller different lighting.

Front

back
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Posted: Saturday, March 14, 2015 - 02:45 PM UTC
Working with the Loon early cowling. removal of two mall sections and the addition of the plate containing the two large and six small vents.









Working with the Brengun brass chin cowling. Adding it over the modified kit part.
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Posted: Saturday, March 14, 2015 - 02:58 PM UTC
Working with the Brengun brass chin cowling. Adding it over the modified kit part.

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Posted: Saturday, March 14, 2015 - 06:51 PM UTC
Been following along Stephen and this is really starting to shape up nicely . Super job on the mods on Loons cowling . Also nice solution for wing root . Looking forward on your next progress run .




Terri