1:32 Roden Siemens Schuckert D.III - early
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Posted: Sunday, September 08, 2013 - 07:58 AM UTC
Greetings all,
Here is a build of the Roden 1:32 SSW D.III kit using the Loon early production conversion set #32006. I want to approach this build pretty much as a straight conversion. So here are the relevant links from the kit reviews.
Kit #610Set #32006 SSW a_c WWI ". . .The most important thing is to know why you build and then get the most that you can out of building." via D.D.
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Posted: Sunday, September 08, 2013 - 08:01 AM UTC
To begin the usual clean up of all parts is begun.
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Posted: Sunday, September 08, 2013 - 08:05 AM UTC
Picking up from the review on the Loon set parts we see the match that needs to be made. The early SSW D.III had slightly longer wings with unbalanced ailerons. Also see the header image above.
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Posted: Sunday, September 08, 2013 - 08:09 AM UTC
Crop the kit wings and addd the resin wing tips. Matching the slots for the ailerons is a good place to start.
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Posted: Sunday, September 08, 2013 - 08:14 AM UTC
After you make your cuts, drill matching holes in the kit wing and add your brass rod. (Use only brass rodd when including resin components.) You can make the process go quicker if you use cyano by including cyano-accelerator.
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Posted: Sunday, September 08, 2013 - 08:16 AM UTC
Before cutting into the resin trace the pilot hole locations ansd stay within the border when drilling on its edge.
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Posted: Sunday, September 08, 2013 - 08:19 AM UTC
To match the kit aileron cut outs with the lay of the Loon ailerons I had to add some plastic shims. See the white sheet stock.
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Posted: Sunday, September 08, 2013 - 08:22 AM UTC
Sanding down the shim and the combined surfaces with a heavier grit then go back and use a tighter grit.
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Posted: Sunday, September 08, 2013 - 08:35 AM UTC
The ribtapes are indistinct on the Roden kit wings. I will add the HGW wing rib tapes.
Review located here. ". . .The most important thing is to know why you build and then get the most that you can out of building." via D.D.
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Posted: Sunday, September 08, 2013 - 08:37 AM UTC
The header image shows us the locations for the rib tapes even on the ailerons.
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Posted: Sunday, September 08, 2013 - 08:43 AM UTC
Hi Stephen.
I will be following this build!
I have a CMR 1:72 Schuckert D.III in my stash and look forward to seeing your build (1:32) and wing lozenge decals.
Any leads on a 1:72 lozenge supplier?
Richard.
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Posted: Sunday, September 08, 2013 - 09:06 AM UTC
I have been told that Aviattic will put out 1:72, 1:48 & 1:32 scale decals. See;
News itemModeler Ira Campbell has them and can be reached;
[email protected]". . .The most important thing is to know why you build and then get the most that you can out of building." via D.D.
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Posted: Sunday, September 08, 2013 - 09:10 AM UTC
Quoted Text
I have been told that Aviattic will put out 1:72, 1:48 & 1:32 scale decals.
Thank you I will check them out.
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Posted: Sunday, September 08, 2013 - 09:14 AM UTC
" The Die Hards"
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The most effective way to do it, is to do it.
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Posted: Sunday, September 08, 2013 - 07:58 PM UTC
Hello Stephen, Nice one – this is one build I will follow with great interest. I have two of these in my stash – and plan to make one of them as the early version.
Mikael
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Posted: Monday, September 09, 2013 - 11:24 AM UTC
Another one to tag along with ! Mikael , would really like to see your take on the SSW D.III ...
Terri
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Posted: Monday, September 09, 2013 - 07:34 PM UTC
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Another one to tag along with ! Mikael , would really like to see your take on the SSW D.III ...
Terri
Thanks Terri – so many kits and ideas, so little time – but one day
Mikael
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Posted: Friday, September 13, 2013 - 11:23 AM UTC
Hear you one that one Mikael . I just need a few more items and then I will be starting my some time this winter . It's not bad that no one makes a resin or even etch seat to replace the kit one .
Sorry for the hijack Stephen ...
Terri
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Posted: Friday, September 13, 2013 - 12:47 PM UTC
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Sorry for the hijack Stephen . . .Terri
No worries Terri just glad to see you chiming in.
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Posted: Sunday, September 15, 2013 - 05:11 PM UTC
Now here is a bit of fun. The resin kit full ring cowlings don't have cooling slots. But I am sure they had them.
Can you see it?
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Posted: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 - 05:28 AM UTC
Watching with interest - one of my favorite subjects I hope to tackle very soon!
Like, follow, find out what I've had for breakfast - your large scale frenemy starter kit.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 - 11:21 AM UTC
Yes , there are cooling vents on the bottom of the cowl .
Bottom center of the cowl there should be three long cooling slot's divided down the middle forming six . Off to both sides there is a circle hole for cooling as well . You can make out the left cooling vent in the photo .
Terri
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Posted: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 - 07:37 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Yes , there are cooling vents on the bottom of the cowl .
Bottom center of the cowl there should be three long cooling slot's divided down the middle forming six . Off to both sides there is a circle hole for cooling as well . You can make out the left cooling vent in the photo .
Terri
Yup – I can see them as well!
Here's a question: – I read somewhere that Dan San Abbott once claimed that "all" early versions of the D.III had the underside 5 colour lozenge covering on the over sides of the wings as well.
Your image here, Stephen, seems to contradict this?
Best Regards
Mikael
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Posted: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 - 03:17 AM UTC
Quoted Text
"Yup – I can see them as well!
Here's a question: – I read somewhere that Dan San Abbott once claimed that "all" early versions of the DIII had the underside 5 colour lozenge covering on the over sides of the wings as well. Your image here, Stephen, seems to contradict this?
Best Regards Mikael"
Here is one of Dan's comments on the subject. from 2009.Quoted Text
A. When the SSW D.III was originally issued in early 1918 to Jasta 12, 13, 15 and 19, they were covered with the light pattern on top surfaces of the wings, elevator, rudder, wheel covers, cabane and interplane struts. The under surfaces of the wings and elevator were covered with plain unprinted fabric and plain tapes.
B. When the SSW D.III were reissued in August 1918, they were rebuilt and re-engined. The upper surfaces of the wings and elevator, rudder, wheel covers, cabane and interplane struts were covered with intermediate dark pattern printed fabric with matching taping. The under surfaces of the wings and elevator were covered with the light pattern with matching taping.
This discussion started with Ltn. Walter Göttsch's SSW D.III 8346/17, which was in the early SSW D.III configuration A above."
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From photos I have studied show the early SSW D.III machines were covered with the 5 color light (lower) pattern on the tops of the wings,elevator, rudder and wheel covers. The under surfaces were covered plain unprinted linen fabric. The fuselage, fin and stabilizer were stained a reddish brown.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 - 05:01 AM UTC
I have seen the images that Dan used and I understand his draw to the conclusions he made. BUT I have the high Resilution images from Jasta 19 pilot, Ltn. A.Rahn's photo album. These I have used here concerning Goettsch's SSW D.III 8346/17. They clearly show the lozenge is on both surfaces. Dan's sumation was made using Pete Grosz' 2nd or 3rd generation photos (copies of copies). While I can't speak for all of the early production SSW D.III machines I can say that D.8346/17 was covered in typical intermediate dark 5 colour "lozenge" camouflage in the usual locations. Now the left ailerons appear different, I believe due to the location on the fabric bolt that they were cut from.
D.III 8346/17
D.III 8346/17
D.III 8341/17
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