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JClapp
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Posted: Saturday, December 28, 2013 - 12:56 AM UTC

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So FROG stands for Flies Right Off the Ground does it? Well mine must be a FRIB.. Flies Right Into the Bin. I am afraid the wing fit problem is going to take far more time to fix than this kit is worthy of. If it was a rare subject, like the Blackburn Shark, I might persist, but their is a lovely Hasegawa kit out there of this plane so I am not wasting anymore time on this piece of sh... rubbish.. It is not like me to give up on a kit but this is just... junk...


bare in mind, that is not a FROG original, but a copy made with the best 1970's Soviet toy making technology.
I cant object to sending it the bin.
I bought a Polish version of the 707 that Im not even going to try to build, for historical interest only.


Robbd01
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Posted: Saturday, December 28, 2013 - 02:02 AM UTC

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So FROG stands for Flies Right Off the Ground does it? Well mine must be a FRIB.. Flies Right Into the Bin. I am afraid the wing fit problem is going to take far more time to fix than this kit is worthy of. If it was a rare subject, like the Blackburn Shark, I might persist, but their is a lovely Hasegawa kit out there of this plane so I am not wasting anymore time on this piece of sh... rubbish.. It is not like me to give up on a kit but this is just... junk...


bare in mind, that is not a FROG original, but a copy made with the best 1970's Soviet toy making technology.
I cant object to sending it the bin.
I bought a Polish version of the 707 that Im not even going to try to build, for historical interest only.




Oh a Novo-FRIB I understand. I like your comment about keeping your kit for 'historical interest only'. I am going to try and use that as my explanation for my stash. That's it, ahh my large pile of kits are for historical interest only

Well, I have not given up on mine, yet. Broken pieces are glued back together. Scrounging up what I can use for the ones that are missing (all clear parts for one). I have a good supply of putties and sand paper.

Cheers
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Posted: Saturday, December 28, 2013 - 02:45 AM UTC

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Well mine must be a FRIB.. Flies Right Into the Bin.


Sad to hear that, actually. There was a past campaign where I felt the kits were worthy of the bin. Persistance played out, though, even if the completed effort was destined to the grasp of grand-children, rather than the display shelf.


I strongly suggest you just slap it together, earn the ribbon, and then give a child joy.
JClapp
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Posted: Saturday, December 28, 2013 - 03:44 AM UTC

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So FROG stands for Flies Right Off the Ground does it? Well mine must be a FRIB.. Flies Right Into the Bin. I am afraid the wing fit problem is going to take far more time to fix than this kit is worthy of. If it was a rare subject, like the Blackburn Shark, I might persist, but their is a lovely Hasegawa kit out there of this plane so I am not wasting anymore time on this piece of sh... rubbish.. It is not like me to give up on a kit but this is just... junk...


bare in mind, that is not a FROG original, but a copy made with the best 1970's Soviet toy making technology.
I cant object to sending it the bin.
I bought a Polish version of the 707 that Im not even going to try to build, for historical interest only.




Oh a Novo-FRIB I understand. I like your comment about keeping your kit for 'historical interest only'. I am going to try and use that as my explanation for my stash. That's it, ahh my large pile of kits are for historical interest only

Well, I have not given up on mine, yet. Broken pieces are glued back together. Scrounging up what I can use for the ones that are missing (all clear parts for one). I have a good supply of putties and sand paper.

Cheers


Its amazing to think, the Sovs sent cosmonauts into space with this level of 'commitment to excellence'

Robbd01
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Posted: Saturday, December 28, 2013 - 04:10 AM UTC

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Its amazing to think, the Sovs sent cosmonauts into space with this level of 'commitment to excellence'



Well I would not go as far as comparing their space industry to their modeling industry. Remember currently they are the only ones getting our Yankee Imperialist arses into space

Cheers

JClapp
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Posted: Saturday, December 28, 2013 - 04:20 AM UTC
sad but true.
and I will add FSR of the Ukraine is the source of some of my favorite models at the moment.
amegan
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Posted: Sunday, December 29, 2013 - 11:28 PM UTC
Interesting to read of other people's experience, I remember many FROG kits with rose tinted glasses and I wish I could still get a Percival Proctor. On to business,
FROG DH98 Mosquito

Box still sealed, so all the parts should be there

Decals are yellowed, no surprise there, sprues look OK, nice shiny plastic


Bit of flash here and there but nothing too bad, panel lines are raised, well it is probably a 60s mould.

Look at the warp in that lower wing! That will take some work.

One undercarriage leg broken, now that is a problem that needs thinking about, I could model with the gear up but that isn't my usual style.
Not shown in these pics are the crew figures, they have serious size issues, which makes me wonder about the rest of the kit
BEFORE I start.
amegan
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Posted: Monday, December 30, 2013 - 10:30 PM UTC
A bit more progress. I started on the wings first, I laid a piece of sprue in the top side of each wing root to act as a spar, then joined the middle part of the wing and clamped until dry. Next I joined the tips and finally the roots. Most of the warp appears to be in the engine area of the lower wing half.

The left wing lower half was at least 6mm shorter than the upper.

Cockpit was straight forward apart from the seven year old aircrew who are NOT being fitted


Wings had to be fitted to the fuselage halves before joining as the cockpit module is fitted to the inside of the wing tabs. Then the fuselage halves are joined and set aside to dry
ljames0874
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Posted: Thursday, January 02, 2014 - 04:38 AM UTC
Some progress on the Sea Vixen. Installing the scratch built cockpits took quite a long time, as the plastic used on the fuselage halves was very thick, and very tough, and it took forever to sand it thin enough for the cockpits to fit, as well as opening up the airbrake bay. I am now having second thoughts
about sanding off all the raised panel lines, and then re-scribing them, as I don't think there is enough time. I will be using a wing fold set, as well as an open radome, so there is still quite a lot to do.


JClapp
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Posted: Thursday, January 02, 2014 - 04:58 AM UTC
nice work going on here~!
Andrew, I see you have the right amount of brute force to make it fit despite that warpage. Did you get the prop shafts into the captive space in the fronts of the engines before cementing them?

Lee James, some nice modifications!

yes the raised panel lines are part of the 'retro' aspect of this campaign, the tools were made before most of us were born after all.

re-scribing is way above my level of expertize,
There are months to go before this is ended, Id like to see how you go about it..
amegan
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Posted: Thursday, January 02, 2014 - 10:39 AM UTC

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nice work going on here~!
Andrew, I see you have the right amount of brute force to make it fit despite that warpage. Did you get the prop shafts into the captive space in the fronts of the engines before cementing them?

Actually, although, the parts were warped, the fit once forced into close proximity fitted pretty well. The canopy was actually a better fit than many a more recent kit. As for the props, I spotted it coming and altered the construction.

Cut out the front face of the nacelle leaving the rear intact.



The consequences of the strange assembly sequence (joining the wings to each Fuselage half) gave excess dihedral which had to be reduced by brute force, but many ares of this kit fit beautifully, the tailplane halves were thin and straight and a perfect fit to the fuselage. The exhausts needed minimal trimming and so far the only filler needed is on the left wing to correct the short wing half. This is a kit that needs some skill and patience but is coming good.
amegan
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Posted: Monday, January 06, 2014 - 12:14 PM UTC
Assembly complete, time to paint, after considerable filling and rubbing down a number of sink holes in the fuselage, overall light grey.


After it is dry, mask the underside then dark gray on top
md72
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Posted: Monday, January 06, 2014 - 12:15 PM UTC
Looking good, perhaps I can get back to my Corsair tomorrow..
ljames0874
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Posted: Thursday, January 09, 2014 - 05:25 AM UTC
Tail Booms are on, wing folds are on, still so much filling and sanding ahead of me!


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Posted: Thursday, January 09, 2014 - 10:06 AM UTC
The consequences of the strange assembly sequence (joining the wings to each Fuselage half) gave excess dihedral which had to be reduced by brute force, but many ares of this kit fit beautifully, the tailplane halves were thin and straight and a perfect fit to the fuselage. The exhausts needed minimal trimming and so far the only filler needed is on the left wing to correct the short wing half. This is a kit that needs some skill and patience but is coming good.[/quote]

Andrew, I like how your kit is coming along. Lee, your kit looks very cool. I need to get started on mine.
ljames0874
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Posted: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - 03:41 AM UTC
.... and the work continues! This time, I have tackled the biggest bugbear when it comes to the accuracy of this kit, ie the canopy. The Frog kit always had this oversized skirt forming the lower half of the canopy, which meant the canopy sat way too high, and far too forward. Fortunately, the other Sea Vixen kit I'm building (De Hav Campaign) had windshields for both FAW.1 and FAW.2 versions, so I've used that instead, which improves the profile of the Frog kit immensely.


Here you can see the front part of the skirt, and how high it would make the canopy sit.

Here we have the correct windshield. So, to the rear canopy. The front half of the canopy slide rail was moulded into the skirt, so I cut it out and re-attached it seperately. After razor sawing the windshield off of the Frog canopy, I glued it to the rear part of the skirt, and cut some plasticard to replace the bit where the slide rail had been (original canopy was moulded shut, and I am posing this canopy open!)
JClapp
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Posted: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - 06:23 AM UTC
wow, nice modification. that's a 10,000% improvement!
amegan
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Posted: Monday, January 27, 2014 - 12:48 AM UTC
Finally got back onto the Mossie, daubed green (Humbrol Acrylic 30 on first then freehand painted the Tamiya Dark Gray. Masking of the light grey works pretty well. Stand is handy while waiting for the paint to dry on the wheels. Maskol on the canopy worked very well. Coat of Klear tonight and prepare the decals and canopy framing.
amegan
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Posted: Monday, January 27, 2014 - 11:54 AM UTC
40+ year old decals, went on like they were printed yesterday




Green is a bit too light, but it is staying
md72
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Posted: Monday, January 27, 2014 - 12:17 PM UTC
Looks good. I've got high hope for my decals now......
amegan
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Posted: Monday, January 27, 2014 - 12:20 PM UTC
Mine had a name decal, I tried that on the stand first, that worked so I went for the rest. Only the canopy framing left, and a bit of weathering
md72
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Posted: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 - 06:51 PM UTC
Progress!!


Not badly engineered, except for the Marianas Trench along the control surface hinges. The kit comes with single piece main landing gear doors, they needed a bit of sanding to fit flush to the rest of the wing. A strange lump along one wall of the fuselage caused gaps until I sanded it out. Looks like I'll get a good fit from the wings to the fuselage.
JClapp
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Posted: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 - 12:10 AM UTC
Andrew that looks very nice indeed!
amegan
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Posted: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 - 08:26 AM UTC
Without you I wouldn't have built it, so thanks for that. Try and get it finished this weekend
JClapp
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Posted: Saturday, February 01, 2014 - 09:33 PM UTC
cheers for that! You'll be the first to post in the gallery.
notice its in Kitmaker campaigns, not Aeroscale campaigns -

Gallery Home » Campaigns » 2013 Campaigns
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Im still hoping to see a ship model built. I have a few. the cars can be found but they are collector expensive.


Ive been neglecting my Frog recently, but it came back out today. I found the perfect nose weight and and closed up the fuselage.

It was a bit of a struggle due to Sov era quality control, (some of the molded in alignment pins had to be cut off!) but I can work with the result.

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