Hasegawa 1/48 P-47D-25 USAAF 9th Air force
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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2015 - 07:52 PM UTC
Hi Guys,
It's been a while since i posted a build log on the site and so I am back with one of my new projects.
This one is going to be a USAAF 9th Air Force P-47D-25. I chose to do Lt Col. Robert Coffey's P-47 which he named Coffey's pot
This build is going to be more of an exercise in painting than detail work though I might make some changes here and there for the sake of accuracy. I do plan rivet her up but don't plan to spend a bunch of time on the cockpit. The canopy will be closed at this point.
I have not built the Tamiya kit but from what I have seen this kit is not a nearly as good. Of course it`s a much older kit but I think it should build into a decent representation of a P-47D.
Hopefully you guys will visit often.
Dave.
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Posted: Monday, February 23, 2015 - 08:09 PM UTC
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Joel_W
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Posted: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 - 09:11 PM UTC
Dave,
I'll certainly be following along as I'm currently building Eduard's Limited edition Jugs over Italy, which is the Academy kit with all of Eduard's goodies.
Joel
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Posted: Thursday, February 26, 2015 - 12:12 AM UTC
Hey Joel,
Thanks for having a look. Yes I just noticed your P47 build and the SIG group as well. Nice build so far. Will be taking a closer look.
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Posted: Thursday, February 26, 2015 - 12:22 AM UTC
Seems to be Thunderbolt time right now, as Joel also builds one. I'll follow your build progress too. A P-47 is always a nice sight. Good luck with your build, Dave!
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Posted: Thursday, February 26, 2015 - 12:56 AM UTC
Hi Dave,
I've pulled up a chair and am following.
Looking forward to this.
Just to be a fly in the ointment, I kinda like the box art paint scheme Duck butt
Between You and Joel, T'bolts are making a comeback.
Chris.
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Posted: Thursday, February 26, 2015 - 01:09 AM UTC
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Between You and Joel, T'bolts are making a comeback.
You can never have too many P-47s!
If they demand your loyalty, give them integrity; if they demand integrity, give them your loyalty.--Col John Boyd, USAF
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Joel_W
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Posted: Thursday, February 26, 2015 - 01:58 AM UTC
Exactly. Especially if you grew up 30 min from the Republic Aircraft complex, and Grumman's Bethpage complex 15 min in the other direction.
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Posted: Thursday, February 26, 2015 - 02:34 AM UTC
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Between You and Joel, T'bolts are making a comeback.
You can never have too many P-47s!
There are many here who would agree!
I'll be following along on this journey, very interested to see how the Hasegawa kit builds up.
Good luck with the build Dave.
Cheers, D
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Joel_W
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Posted: Thursday, February 26, 2015 - 09:18 PM UTC
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Between You and Joel, T'bolts are making a comeback.
You can never have too many P-47s!
There are many here who would agree!
I'll be following along on this journey, very interested to see how the Hasegawa kit builds up.
Good luck with the build Dave.
Cheers, D
Damian,
What we really need is a 3rd person building the Tamiya P-47-D. Want to join us? Remember, you can't have enough jugs.
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AussieReg
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Posted: Friday, February 27, 2015 - 03:44 AM UTC
Joel, I'd really love to crack open one of my Tamiya and join you guys, but my bench time is severely limited due to work commitments. I have 2 cars on the bench for the Chev vs Hemi Group Build that I am running on Automodeler, and my Me262 Campaign kicks off tomorrow (my time), so by the time I could realistically get a start you guys would be well finished.
I am content to get my Jug fix vicariously through your builds for the moment.
Cheers, D
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Posted: Friday, February 27, 2015 - 11:41 AM UTC
Well,
Depending on how things go over the next week or so dollarwise
I will be purchasing the Academy Gabreski P-47.
The Eduard kit hasn't hit our shores as yet.But I won't be doing the Gabreski scheme I've got some aftermarket decals kicking around somewhere.Ole Missouri/The Jawbone.
So there may be a 3rd T'bolt for show and tell.
Chris
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Joel_W
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Posted: Friday, February 27, 2015 - 06:32 PM UTC
Damian,
Didn't know that you're involved in the Automodeler site. I haven't built a race car in a million years, but at one point that's all I built back in the late 70s.
Chris,
Looking forward to you joining us.
The Eduard Jugs over Italy and Jugs over Europe have been around for a few years, so their not exactly new. Like I said the plastic is the Academy kit, so I'd love having you build the basic kit.
As for Markings, Gabby is still a well known name here on LI for us older folk. At one time he was even the President of the LI railroad. Of course not knowing anything about running a the United States largest commuter railroad didn't exactly led to success run in that position.
Joel
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Posted: Sunday, March 01, 2015 - 10:43 PM UTC
Thanks for tagging along folks. Hopefully I can do the subject justice.
Bringing in some upgrades for this puppy at the moment.
Ordered the Ultracast wheels and Seat for the build. The seat in the Hasegawa P-47D is wrong as it has the rounded seat back. Later P-47's had the more common straight seat back including I believe all bubbletop versions. Ultracast represents this well. These guys are not too far down the road from where I live so I should get them quickly
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Joel_W
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Posted: Sunday, March 01, 2015 - 11:22 PM UTC
Dave,
The Ultracast seat really looks quite nice. It's the same overall shape that came with the seat for Eduard resin cockpit, but those two square holes aren't in my seat. So I did some google searches and found seats with both those square holes and without them. I only looked at restorations including the virtual cockpit. Same goes for those reinforcing brackets.
The Ulracast wheels are truly spectacular, with excellent detail. I'm still on the fence about using the hub caps or not, as the wheels in the Eduard's resin wheels are outstanding, and I would hate to cover them up if I don't have to.
Joel
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Posted: Monday, March 02, 2015 - 01:18 AM UTC
Hi Joel,
I would stick with the Eduard ones I think they are resin too.
I went with the covered wheel set because well the Hase ones don't cut it and the detail in the photos of Coffey's Pot suggests covered wheels.
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Joel_W
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Posted: Monday, March 02, 2015 - 02:53 AM UTC
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Hi Joel,
I would stick with the Eduard ones I think they are resin too.
I went with the covered wheel set because well the Hase ones don't cut it and the detail in the photos of Coffey's Pot suggests covered wheels.
Dave,
I'm certainly going to use the Eduard resin wheels, although the Academy ones aren't that bad. I'll have to do some digging to see if I can get away without using the hubcaps. What I have in my research material on the Jug seams that nearly all the actual photos from WW11 show hub caps, but all the restorations just the fancy wheels.
Joel
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Posted: Monday, March 02, 2015 - 06:17 AM UTC
Joel,
Fear not my friend. I believe you are good to go with the resin wheels from the Eduard kit. I was looking at them on the Eduard site and of course the various profiles and associated decals provided by Eduard for the kit. One of the schemes includes a 12AF 79th Fighter Group Thunderbolt called Deacon Dandy. Well Here's a pic of a 79th FG Thunderbolt in Italy near the end of the war. Note the same wheels as provided in your kit.
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Posted: Monday, March 02, 2015 - 06:23 AM UTC
....And a 366th Fighter Group P-47D-30 just after the war. This is a USAAF 9th Air Force plane.
The radio compartment cover is missing on this a/c taken as a souvenir by the pilot who was posted back to the United States. Aircraft name is LaMort.
Both A/C posted look like they have the Curtiss Electric Asymmetrical prop while Coffey's Pot has the Hamilton Standard Prop, probably built by the Farmingdale factory versus the Evansville plant which began bubbletop production with the Curtiss Props.
Hope this helps.
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Joel_W
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Posted: Monday, March 02, 2015 - 07:40 PM UTC
Dave,
those pictures certainly do. Now I can use the resin wheels without the hub caps. AS for the prop, the kit has both.
One thing I'm still debating about is whether or not to actually spend the time detailing the engine with ignition wires as it's really hard to see much of it with that big massive cowl.
Joel
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Posted: Monday, March 09, 2015 - 09:21 PM UTC
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Dave,
those pictures certainly do. Now I can use the resin wheels without the hub caps. AS for the prop, the kit has both.
One thing I'm still debating about is whether or not to actually spend the time detailing the engine with ignition wires as it's really hard to see much of it with that big massive cowl.
Joel
Joel
posted my response in your build log.
http://ghmicro.wix.com/twis-first-cut
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Posted: Monday, March 09, 2015 - 09:27 PM UTC
Okay folks here's my first update.
As usual I started with the cockpit. The interior of P47's built by the Farmingdale and Evansville plants used a colour called (popularly) Dark Dull green. Actually based on some of my recent research the cockpits were actually painted Chromate yellow but the DD green was painted over the Yellow chromate as a completion step. The colour can be a minefield of opinion with some referring to it as Bronze green. At any rate I attempted to match the colour references I have of Dark Dull green by using 3 separate Vallejo colours which I thinned with AK interactive thinner and some water. I used Gun Metal Blue, Olive green and German Tanker Field Grau. I am not exactly sure of the ratios but to give the colour a bit more of a metallic blue green shade I used more Gun Metal in my mix. As such I am fairly happy with the colour. It's a bit lighter than the DDG in my reference photos(taken from an actual non-restored P47) but given the lighting and scale effect I think its looks okay.
I also used the AK interactive chipping product here as well. I did this by first spraying Alclad Duraluminum then the AK product, let it dry for a bit then I sprayed the DDG, let that dry and then dampened an old paint brush and scrubbed away the DDG. As such I am happy with the results.
the Shoulder straps in P47's were an off white while the lap belts were a Khaki. I attempted to re-create this look with the Ultracast seat which is very nice I must say. I still have to give it a wash with some oil paints, add the throttle quadrant and some more touch ups on the side panels but that will be next.
Here are the obligatory pics.
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Joel_W
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Posted: Monday, March 09, 2015 - 11:01 PM UTC
Dave,
Sure glad I'm not the only one whose been trying to figure out exactly what color the pits are in jugs. I've come to rely quite heavily on the Swedish IPMS references and articles, and they really can't pin it down either.
The Farmingdale plant did use a base of YZC with DDG on top, which apparently resulted in quite a lot of shades of green. Now throw in fading, dirt, grease, oil, and just plain old wear and tear, any it's a 3 ring circus. As you said restorations vary the full Green interior spectrum, in other words, next to useless.
My cockpit is lighter then yours till you button up the fuselage, then it really darkens up, so it becomes a moot point in the end.
Excellent job of weathering. And I really like your efforts and results of the seatbelts and harness.
Joel
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Posted: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 - 11:03 PM UTC
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Between You and Joel, T'bolts are making a comeback.
You can never have too many P-47s!
I agree. They are interesting aircraft.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 - 09:07 PM UTC
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Dave,
Sure glad I'm not the only one whose been trying to figure out exactly what color the pits are in jugs. I've come to rely quite heavily on the Swedish IPMS references and articles, and they really can't pin it down either.
The Farmingdale plant did use a base of YZC with DDG on top, which apparently resulted in quite a lot of shades of green. Now throw in fading, dirt, grease, oil, and just plain old wear and tear, any it's a 3 ring circus. As you said restorations vary the full Green interior spectrum, in other words, next to useless.
My cockpit is lighter then yours till you button up the fuselage, then it really darkens up, so it becomes a moot point in the end.
Excellent job of weathering. And I really like your efforts and results of the seatbelts and harness.
Joel
Thanks a bunch Joel. I am back now from my vacation to Florida and looking forward to doing some more work on this bird this weekend.
I also have another a/c in process, a 190A5 though I didn't post any pics of it here(until now) but it is Hans Philipp's heavily mottled A5 Minke Pinke. Still have to do the aerials and build up the ground work for it. I am putting it on a wooden hard stand.
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