Wow, thanks for the heads up about the serial! Where did you get that confidential report?
Jean-Luc
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TedMamere
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 06:51 AM UTC
Hi again Nigel!
Wow, thanks for the heads up about the serial! Where did you get that confidential report?
Jean-Luc
Wow, thanks for the heads up about the serial! Where did you get that confidential report?
Jean-Luc
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 07:11 AM UTC
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Hi again Nigel!
Wow, thanks for the heads up about the serial! Where did you get that confidential report?
Jean-Luc
Jean-Luc
The combat report is from a website dedicated to er,,,,combat reports
Another detail I noticed when looking at the photos of "Button Nose". Often the P-47 noseart was limited to a single cowling panel, the theory being that it was interchangeable between aircraft. For example,,a pilots regular mount is written off due to flak damage, a new P-47 is allocated, and the pilot is able to transfer his artwork to the new aircraft.
Another advantage to the artwork being on a single panel can be seen clearly in the b+w photo.
It looks as though when 42-26298 was sprayed in the disruptive camouflage scheme, the cowling panel with the artwork on was removed to protect it, and so it retains its olive drab background.
Hope this helps.
Nige
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 07:34 AM UTC
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It looks as though when 42-26298 was sprayed in the disruptive camouflage scheme, the cowling panel with the artwork on was removed to protect it, and so it retains its olive drab background.
Hi Nigel!
Hmmm... seems very plausible. I think I will follow your theory when painting my model. Thanks for that too!
Jean-Luc
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 08:04 AM UTC
Glad you find the information usefull Jean-Luc
If you look carefully at the colour photo you'll see that the red front panel part of the cowling around the artwork is more faded than the rest, which suggests to me that the artwork was masked over when the rest of the airfame was painted.
Thanks for the posting the questions Jean-Luc, Ive enjoyed doing the research
Nige
If you look carefully at the colour photo you'll see that the red front panel part of the cowling around the artwork is more faded than the rest, which suggests to me that the artwork was masked over when the rest of the airfame was painted.
Thanks for the posting the questions Jean-Luc, Ive enjoyed doing the research
Nige
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2007 - 08:55 AM UTC
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thanks for posting the questions Jean-Luc, Ive enjoyed doing the research
Hey Nigel, glad to hear that, I will probably have some more questions to ask!
Jean-Luc
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Posted: Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 04:05 AM UTC
So, which decal sheet is it? I would love to do this one in 1/32. I really like the scheme that comes with Trumps Razorback also. Shot down 15 aircraft and 2 ships, plus 30 bombing missions.
The Jugs really give the modeller a lot to choose from.
The Jugs really give the modeller a lot to choose from.
lampie
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Posted: Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 09:48 PM UTC
Hi Carl.
The decals are part of an Aeromaster "Wolpack" series.
No takers on the trivia question?
What was the first aircraft shot down by a 56FG P-47?
Nige
The decals are part of an Aeromaster "Wolpack" series.
No takers on the trivia question?
What was the first aircraft shot down by a 56FG P-47?
Nige
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Posted: Monday, October 29, 2007 - 07:28 AM UTC
Hi
Halesworth Museum website says FW190 in June 43, but references I found says first op was 13 April 43 destroying 4 enemy AC but dosen't say what type?
Halesworth Museum website says FW190 in June 43, but references I found says first op was 13 April 43 destroying 4 enemy AC but dosen't say what type?
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Posted: Monday, October 29, 2007 - 07:42 AM UTC
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Hi
Halesworth Museum website says FW190 in June 43, but references I found says first op was 13 April 43 destroying 4 enemy AC but dosen't say what type?
Hi Steve.
My reference states the " incident" took place in March 1943, while the Wolfpack was based at Kings Cliffe.
13th April 43 is the date of the first 56FG mission( 2 fighter sweeps).
The first enemy aircraft confirmed was indeed an FW190 on June 11th 1943
Nige
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Posted: Monday, October 29, 2007 - 07:36 PM UTC
Hi Nigel!
Just a wild guess, was it a Hurricane?
Jean-Luc
Just a wild guess, was it a Hurricane?
Jean-Luc
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Posted: Monday, October 29, 2007 - 09:43 PM UTC
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Hi Nigel!
Just a wild guess, was it a Hurricane?
Jean-Luc
Your on the right lines Jean-Luc
I'll wait for a couple more guesses and then I'll post the answer if noone gets it.
Have you started your P-47 yet Jean-Luc?
It would look very nice on a Mark 58 concrete dispersal dont you think?
Nige
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Posted: Monday, October 29, 2007 - 11:30 PM UTC
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Have you started your P-47 yet Jean-Luc?
It would look very nice on a Mark 58 concrete dispersal dont you think?
Hi again Nigel!
Blenheim perhaps?
I've indeed made a start on the P-47. The model will be accompanied by a GMC Fuel truck (Tamiya+Gaso-Line conversion) and a "military light vehicle" (
) also from Tamiya. The base is already done. It's a 35 cm concrete type display base from Mark 58.The P-47 will be motorized (turning props).
Jean-Luc
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Posted: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 01:57 AM UTC
Wow Jean-Luc,,Im really looking forward to seeing that come together!
And you'll be able to tell people that its got the correct serial number if they query it too!,,sorry I cant help you with the registration numbers of the vehicles though,,lol.
It wasnt a Blenheim either,,one more guess and I'll reveal the answer.
Mark 58 concrete dispersal pan,,very interesting.
I saw the photos from the model show,,wish Id been able to see your work in the "plastic" last weekend.
Nige
And you'll be able to tell people that its got the correct serial number if they query it too!,,sorry I cant help you with the registration numbers of the vehicles though,,lol.
It wasnt a Blenheim either,,one more guess and I'll reveal the answer.
Mark 58 concrete dispersal pan,,very interesting.
I saw the photos from the model show,,wish Id been able to see your work in the "plastic" last weekend.
Nige
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Posted: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 06:48 AM UTC
Hi Nigel!
Ok, I won't made another "wild guess". Maybe someone will come up with the right answer...
In fact it won't be a dispersal pen, only a concrete base...
I think I will spray a coat of matt varnish to make it appear less shiny. What do you think?
Jean-Luc
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wasnt a Blenheim either,,one more guess and I'll reveal the answer.
Ok, I won't made another "wild guess". Maybe someone will come up with the right answer...
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Mark 58 concrete dispersal pan,,very interesting.
In fact it won't be a dispersal pen, only a concrete base...
I think I will spray a coat of matt varnish to make it appear less shiny. What do you think?
Jean-Luc
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Posted: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 07:13 AM UTC
Hi Jean-Luc
From the photo, Id definately go for a coat of matt varnish, but as you know its very hard to tell from a photograph.
Good excuse to post a couple of photographs of P-47's on concrete hardstands though!
Both these photographs were taken at Boxted, where your P-47 was based.
Notice the tail wheel angle on both photos. The P-47's would have been taxyied into the dispersal and then swung round.
Nige
From the photo, Id definately go for a coat of matt varnish, but as you know its very hard to tell from a photograph.
Good excuse to post a couple of photographs of P-47's on concrete hardstands though!
Both these photographs were taken at Boxted, where your P-47 was based.
Notice the tail wheel angle on both photos. The P-47's would have been taxyied into the dispersal and then swung round.
Nige
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Posted: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 04:44 AM UTC
Trivia Question Answer
In March 1943, when the 56FG was based at Kingscliffe, they were sent on gunnery practice. The 61st FS went to Llanbedr in Wales, and one pilot managed to shoot down the Lysander towing the target drogue.
This incident is refered to in both Robert Johnsons book "Thunderbolt" and also in "Zemkes Wolfpack", told to Roger Freeman by Hub Zemke.
For those P-47 fans who arent inclined towards modelling their favourite aircraft there are other ways of displaying your interest. While doing one of my regular Ebay searches for Thunderbolt related items I came across this "78FG" Lambretta scooter!,,Bidding starts at £3500
Enough trivia, back to the bench to carry on with the Halesworth museum build.
Nige
In March 1943, when the 56FG was based at Kingscliffe, they were sent on gunnery practice. The 61st FS went to Llanbedr in Wales, and one pilot managed to shoot down the Lysander towing the target drogue.
This incident is refered to in both Robert Johnsons book "Thunderbolt" and also in "Zemkes Wolfpack", told to Roger Freeman by Hub Zemke.
For those P-47 fans who arent inclined towards modelling their favourite aircraft there are other ways of displaying your interest. While doing one of my regular Ebay searches for Thunderbolt related items I came across this "78FG" Lambretta scooter!,,Bidding starts at £3500
Enough trivia, back to the bench to carry on with the Halesworth museum build.
Nige
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Posted: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 03:46 AM UTC
Nice scooter Nige Would like to have one some day.
I´m in for the last chapter on the mighty Jug, so keep your eyes at the thread.
Larsa
Would like to have one some day.I´m in for the last chapter on the mighty Jug, so keep your eyes at the thread.
Larsa
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Posted: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 06:02 PM UTC
That is the coolest scooter ever. And the answer to the trivia was not what I expected at all.
I love the nose art on your jug Lars.
Matt
I love the nose art on your jug Lars.
Matt
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Posted: Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 09:04 AM UTC
Lars your Razorback looks stunning, but why are you teasing us with just one small photo
Ive only been away from the bench for a week but Im missing my Razorback already,,LOL.
Im really enjoying building something bigger than 1:72, maybe I'll jump straight to the 1:32 Bubbletop after the Razorback.
Thankfully though,I managed to resist paying the £3500 asking price for the P-47 scooter
Nige
Im on tour at the moment and consequently away from a lot of my reference material but I'll do my best to answer any P-47 related questions
Ive only been away from the bench for a week but Im missing my Razorback already,,LOL.
Im really enjoying building something bigger than 1:72, maybe I'll jump straight to the 1:32 Bubbletop after the Razorback.
Thankfully though,I managed to resist paying the £3500 asking price for the P-47 scooter
Nige
Im on tour at the moment and consequently away from a lot of my reference material but I'll do my best to answer any P-47 related questions
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Posted: Monday, November 12, 2007 - 07:33 AM UTC
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Im on tour at the moment and consequently away from a lot of my reference material but I'll do my best to answer any P-47 related questions
Hi Nigel and all P-47 specialists, here is another one for you:
I'm currently building "Stalag III - I wanted wings" and I want to display it with the flaps down. Now what color should I use for the areas I show below (see arrows)?
Would these remain aluminium or are they supposed to be camouflaged as well? I couldn't find a good picture to help me to decide yet.
Any input appreciated...
Jean-Luc
P.S. Lars, your P-47 is looking very nice so far. I can't wait to see more...
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Posted: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 - 01:46 AM UTC
Hi Jean-Luc.
Ive not been able to find a definitive photo to confirm anything about this yet.
I have seen them modelled in 3 ways.
Camouflaged (usually plain olive drab whatever the main finish)
Bare Metal
Yellow/green Zinc Cromate.
On this P-47 they appear to be olive drab
The Tamiya kits instructions specify XF4 Yellow/Green.
Im not 100% sure if this is correct for the actual flaps, but it is correct for the area of the wing that is revealed when the flaps are in the down position.
You can see the paint on the remains of this P-47's wing
I'll keep looking though:)
On my Razorback Im going to paint them in XF4 but thats just my personal prefence:)
Nige
EDIT.
Jean-Luc. Ive found colour photos of olive drab Mustangs in which the area of the flaps your talking about is bare metal.
Ive not been able to find a definitive photo to confirm anything about this yet.
I have seen them modelled in 3 ways.
Camouflaged (usually plain olive drab whatever the main finish)
Bare Metal
Yellow/green Zinc Cromate.
On this P-47 they appear to be olive drab
The Tamiya kits instructions specify XF4 Yellow/Green.
Im not 100% sure if this is correct for the actual flaps, but it is correct for the area of the wing that is revealed when the flaps are in the down position.
You can see the paint on the remains of this P-47's wing
I'll keep looking though:)
On my Razorback Im going to paint them in XF4 but thats just my personal prefence:)
Nige
EDIT.
Jean-Luc. Ive found colour photos of olive drab Mustangs in which the area of the flaps your talking about is bare metal.
lampie
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Posted: Monday, November 19, 2007 - 05:49 AM UTC
Aviation archeology turns up some stunning finds occasionally.
This is a cowling section from "Maximum Goose", a 396FS/368FG P-47 which was recently dug up in Belgium.
And heres how it looked before spending over 60 years under the soil.
Nige
This is a cowling section from "Maximum Goose", a 396FS/368FG P-47 which was recently dug up in Belgium.
And heres how it looked before spending over 60 years under the soil.
Nige
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Posted: Monday, November 19, 2007 - 08:14 PM UTC
I wish I could find stuff like that in my backyard. Any one get some work done on their jugs lately?
lampie
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Posted: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 05:01 AM UTC
Im hoping to find a few treasures of my own next year Matt
I doubt I'll dig up anything as spectacular as that cowling section though.
As for modelling,I havent been anywhere near a kit for the last few weeks as Im working away, but I'll be home in a coupl eof days and hope to get some more done on the Halesworth Museum Razorback.
Nige
I doubt I'll dig up anything as spectacular as that cowling section though.
As for modelling,I havent been anywhere near a kit for the last few weeks as Im working away, but I'll be home in a coupl eof days and hope to get some more done on the Halesworth Museum Razorback.
Nige
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Posted: Thursday, November 22, 2007 - 05:33 AM UTC
Jean-Luc.
One of my reference books states that the 56FG "Bubbletops" were delivered to Boxted in NMF and painted there, so this would make your earlier photo the correct finish
Sorry its a late answer, it'll probably help future builders more than you as I guess youve already got the decals on
Nige
One of my reference books states that the 56FG "Bubbletops" were delivered to Boxted in NMF and painted there, so this would make your earlier photo the correct finish
Sorry its a late answer, it'll probably help future builders more than you as I guess youve already got the decals on
Nige
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