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RedwingNev
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Posted: Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 06:32 AM UTC

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If RAAF means what I think (Royal Australian Air Force) they only had a bunch of leased F-4E not RF-4E there,




No, you are correct, my mistake.

And Turkey and Germany - and if Mark is doing an RF-4B that's the USMC added to the list! Who we missing now - Just Iran, South Korea and RN? Oh, and Egypt.
Dragon164
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Posted: Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 11:49 AM UTC
Here is the kit I will be building.

With this:


I thought I was going to have a nice straight forward build,but...
Now this kit has been sitting around for some number of years and at one point I had taped the wings together to check something, then at some point I managed to splash some unknown substance on it that left a coating and glued part of the wings together now this wouldn't be so bad but they were not lined up at the time

So now I have some work to get back to a starting point.


Cheers Rob.
PolarBear
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Posted: Saturday, May 04, 2013 - 11:29 PM UTC
Oy!
Hardwings (or not), slatted this and slotted that, extended gun muzzles and whatnot!
Either someone please give me (us?) a crash course (preferrably with pictures) or I will most likely go crazy!
Personally, I wish to build an Israeli F-4E just after the 1973 war. I believe that it would have had hard wings, but I believe that my kit does not... Please help!!!
Cheers! / PolarBear
Jessie_C
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Posted: Sunday, May 05, 2013 - 03:36 AM UTC
Slats, slots and gun muzzles, oh my! Okay, in a nutshell, these were all "aftermarket parts" added to the Phantom as time went by. Here's the Phantom Guide for the Masses which explains the differences between the variants.

The slotted tailplane was added to the Phantom before the -E model was produced so it's pretty much impossible that you'll ever see an -E without it; it was a design mod to the F-4B quite early in service. Slots were added to the -C/D models in USAF service, so it's possible to see one of them with or without slots, but they're definitive for all -Es.

The gun muzzle mod was added to the -E in the early '70s to cure a gun gas ingestion problem. The early muzzle shape was triangular when viewed from the side, looking like this

The modified muzzle was installed to cure this problem. It's longer and much more rectangular. Note that there's a little door that opens on the top right side of the nose while the power is off. This is a gas purging intake which also opens when the gun is firing and uses ram air to force the gun gasses out of the muzzle before they can be sucked into the intakes.

You should see a little rectangular panel on the upper nose of your model. If you're doing the early muzzle you need to remove it, and if you're doing the late muzzle it needs to be opened up and the scoop made.

Slatted wings were added to both Air Force and Navy Phantoms starting in about 1972 to improve turning ability. Early production -Es had the "hard wing" fitted to the -C/D Phantom. Some or most of these were retrofitted with the slats over the next few years. Recognition points are the wing tips and the actuator fairings under the inner wing section. The slats on the wing tips didn't retract completely so they made the "dog tooth" much more visible.
Here's a drawing:

Here's a slatted wing. Points to look for are the actuator fairings visible under the leading edge just above the drop tank, the small fence on the inboard section of the outer wing slat and the smaller actuators under that slat. The wingtip lights had to be displaced to fit a Radar warning receiver added about the same time, so the plan from of the wingtip was changed from the more rectangular non-slatted wing.

From the top. The inboard slat is difficult to see when it's retracted, but look for the larger 'dog tooth' and the altered wing tip shape

Just to make modellers' lives more difficult, the Navy slats were different from the Air Force slats.

Here's an early -E with hard wings, short gun muzzle and slotted stabs


Your best bet is to get a picture of your subject and then make sure your model matches it.
PolarBear
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Posted: Sunday, May 05, 2013 - 04:23 AM UTC
Thanks a million, Jessica! You made my day!!!

Cheers! / PolarBear!
SHarjacek
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Posted: Sunday, May 05, 2013 - 05:50 AM UTC
If anyone needs spare parts for their 1/72 Phantom, I'll gladly offer parts from my Esci F-4E ( Or the entire kit).


Kind regards,Sven.
JollyRoger
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Posted: Sunday, May 05, 2013 - 08:32 AM UTC

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If anyone needs spare parts for their 1/72 Phantom, I'll gladly offer parts from my Esci F-4E ( Or the entire kit).


Kind regards,Sven.


Offering an Esci Phantom kit?....hmmm...why?Ehehhe. Those guys happen to be one of my most favorite items of hunting. Really nice little kits they are. Seriously I have some stash of spare Esci parts too if anyone needs.
DiegoHDL
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Posted: Sunday, May 05, 2013 - 09:14 PM UTC
Here some marking ideas for your Phantom builds:

http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/index.php?product_category_id=&product_division_id=&manufacturer_id=8045&code=&product_type_id=&scale_id=&keyword_search=F-4+Phantom&setPerPage=25¤cy_id=

Greetings
Diego
Arrrgee
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Posted: Monday, May 06, 2013 - 12:56 AM UTC
Hi guys,

I've thought long and hard about which kit I wanted to do, I have several phantoms, all by Fujimi, but didn't want to rush into it with one of my favoured british phantom variants, so I will start with a US F-4E ANG in 30th Anniversary colours.

http://smile.webshots.com/smiles/3be43ec5d95a75c1fbb02e8f513a0241969fbd30970f5b78326051dfca819cae

http://smile.webshots.com/smiles/22fe46b7f06c9cf66376b994fb4c4f2e0796d9f43c859fe090dc3c051f7e8565

http://smile.webshots.com/smiles/f728cbaa32d33ca80cc7169eb17a69c3667b28b1870c67b7de7aeaadb247f476

Rich
DoubleTap
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Posted: Monday, May 06, 2013 - 04:03 AM UTC
Oh goody goody, we get to start this with a full load of Phantoms. I have the Same kit as Torchy and I am doing mine oob, I have no am parts for this thing so we shall see how it goes. I began with a light touch of Tamiya fine white primer.





Ill hammer out all the fine details later. This is also being built on another Forum as a GB also and I am really wanting this to come out as one of my best kits.
md72
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Posted: Monday, May 06, 2013 - 10:07 AM UTC
OK, I haven't seen this before. I could learn something... Why would you prime the kit before you start?
DoubleTap
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Posted: Monday, May 06, 2013 - 11:42 AM UTC
because I use acrylics and it allows the paint to stick with out lifting.
md72
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Posted: Monday, May 06, 2013 - 03:16 PM UTC
Ah, that makes sense, good idea.
md72
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Posted: Monday, May 06, 2013 - 03:36 PM UTC
Found this pic of a squadron mate.



I don't think I want to do the Bi-centennial version, but stock decals are for bird 153107, in the Bi-centennial, Golden Bear, or Phantom spook.

I'm thinking of the spook version myself.
FirstSergeant
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Posted: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 - 12:29 PM UTC
This will be my entry into the Campaign. An F-4S Phantom II of VFMA-232 USMC 1987.

Model on,
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Jessie_C
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Posted: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 - 01:19 PM UTC
If that's the kit I think it is, you're going to need to navalise the rear cockpit.
md72
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Posted: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 - 06:14 PM UTC
Alright, I can start opening the baggies now.


ljames0874
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Posted: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 03:11 AM UTC
Ok first progress shot from me. I've been working on this tiny little bit for 3 days, it's the seat belts from the Aires cockpit set for the FGR.2. These are insanely detailed, and extremely fiddly, easily the biggest challenge to my patience I've ever had from a modelling project. I'm having to do a little bit at a time, and then walk away and do something else but hopefully it will be worth the effort!

edit - BTW I took that picture through the magnifier on my Helping Hands - absolutely essential for this job!
agtquimi
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Posted: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 05:07 AM UTC
I´m following you in the distance.

Due to a bussiness travel I'm nearly 11,000 km away from home in northern Chile desert, so my bird is stopped for two weeks
oldtimer
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Posted: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 08:35 AM UTC
Evening all,
Just got started on the initial photo's

Sorry to say that its the old Airfix Phantom as its the only one I possess.



As I never have built a jet its going to be OOB.



By the way what colour is the interior of a USA Navy Phantom cockpit.

Just to give me a helping start so to speak.

Martin
Jessie_C
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Posted: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 09:55 AM UTC
All US Phantoms were Dark Gull Grey inside, with a healthy smattering of black on the consoles and canopy sills, not to mention years worth of grime, wear and general abuse...
Here's a couple pictures.
Front
Rear

Don't forget that whatever else Airfix says about that kit, the plastic is for a -B (with the thin wing and landing gear). You can make a -B or -N from the kit only.
md72
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Posted: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 10:39 AM UTC
OK, Jessie, You seem to be the source of definitive guides... Whats the definitive guide to what's actually in Airfix F-5 Phantom II boxes??? I've got a old US Airfix F-4D kit in the stash somewhere. If you beleive the instructions, you might be able to build an A, B, C, D and E from the box. But you're on your own for decals if it's not a D.
Jessie_C
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Posted: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 12:20 PM UTC
It doesn't matter what the box says, nor about all those extra parts. Airfix forgot to include the thick wing and fat wheels that all those other Phantom variants have. The only thing you can build straight out of the Airfix box without serious plastic surgery is a -B. Even converting it to an -N requires a few different electronics fairings.
RedwingNev
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Posted: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 06:55 PM UTC
Good luck with that Airfix Phantom Martin - I built one ~15 years ago when I got back in to the hobby and I remember it as being extremely crude!
oldtimer
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Posted: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 11:31 PM UTC
Thanks for the info Jessica.

@ Niel I have had a quick look and I don't hold out much hope for an easy and straightforward build either!!

Still let's see how it goes.

Regards
Martin