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Posted: Thursday, June 05, 2014 - 02:10 AM UTC

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And I'm still changing my mind, now almost daily as what to build. I already know that the old Accurate Miniature F34F-1 will be one of two kits. Just keep on changing what the other kit will be.

Joel



Holy crap Joel, the ultra-elusive F34F?! You GOTTA do that!!

Michael



Michael,
Ha ha, that's a good one on my lack of proof reading. Unfortunately, I'll only be building the more basic and ready available F3F-1.
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Posted: Thursday, June 05, 2014 - 02:13 AM UTC

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OK as we're getting close to the start date it's time for me to decide, so since I'm also in the FAA campaign which I haven't started yet I'm going to build two F6F's at the same time from the Eduard dual FAA boxing. Which will be for which campaign I'll work out when I start so that's a Hellcat Mk.I and Hellcat Mk.II dual build.



Luciano,
Great choice. Go for it!! And by all means you can post both builds here so we can follow your progress. Just specify which one is for each campaign at the start of your duel build.

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Posted: Thursday, June 05, 2014 - 07:10 AM UTC

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Would we also be able to do aircraft that were joint projects? Such as the EA-18G Growler. It was a joint project between Boeing and Northrop Grumman.



Michael,
A joint project between more then one manufacturer certainly would be allowed if the base aircraft they started with was a Grumman design. In the specific case of the EA-18G, it is a specialized version of the two-seat F/A-18F Super Hornet. The Growler's electronic warfare capability is primarily provided by Northrop Grumman, not the overall design of the aircraft. So in this case I would have to say that it isn't allowed under the present rules.
Joel



Ok. Had to see and try. Joint project do provide for an interesting GB idea though... Hmm... Think I might put it up as a proposal for a bit in the future.
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Posted: Thursday, June 05, 2014 - 07:31 AM UTC

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Ok. Had to see and try. Joint project do provide for an interesting GB idea though... Hmm... Think I might put it up as a proposal for a bit in the future.



Mike,
Thanks for understanding my reasoning. As for your idea of a campaign, I think it has a lot of merit.
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Posted: Thursday, June 05, 2014 - 04:28 PM UTC

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Mike,
Thanks for understanding my reasoning. As for your idea of a campaign, I think it has a lot of merit.
Joel



No problem, Joe. I can see that you're a pretty big fan of Grumman. I really Grumman quite a bit as well. Northrop as well up until recently... But mostly a fan of the F-14 (I mean, who can't like a big bad turkey right? ). And thank you. I've already posted a proposal up for way in the future.
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Posted: Friday, June 06, 2014 - 03:01 AM UTC

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Mike,
Thanks for understanding my reasoning. As for your idea of a campaign, I think it has a lot of merit.
Joel



No problem, Joe. I can see that you're a pretty big fan of Grumman. I really Grumman quite a bit as well. Northrop as well up until recently... But mostly a fan of the F-14 (I mean, who can't like a big bad turkey right? ). And thank you. I've already posted a proposal up for way in the future.



Mike,
I grew up back in the 60's less then a 20 min bike ride from Grumman's main plants in Bethpage LI. My brother and I often rode our 3 speed English racer bikes there, and hung out around the fence watching various Grumman aircraft take off and land. My other favorite aircraft manufacture is Republic. The bike ride there was major outing, but we made that trip once in a while as well.

While a big fan of the F-14 family of cats, my personal favorite is the F6F Hellcats, and the P-47 Jugs from Republic.

Good luck with getting your Campaign approved. I wouldn't be surprised that when it is (you need 10 people to say they would sign up), you're assigned a early 2015 date.

Joel
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Posted: Friday, June 06, 2014 - 07:04 AM UTC

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Mike,
I grew up back in the 60's less then a 20 min bike ride from Grumman's main plants in Bethpage LI. My brother and I often rode our 3 speed English racer bikes there, and hung out around the fence watching various Grumman aircraft take off and land. My other favorite aircraft manufacture is Republic. The bike ride there was major outing, but we made that trip once in a while as well.

While a big fan of the F-14 family of cats, my personal favorite is the F6F Hellcats, and the P-47 Jugs from Republic.

Good luck with getting your Campaign approved. I wouldn't be surprised that when it is (you need 10 people to say they would sign up), you're assigned a early 2015 date.

Joel



Yeah I'm around a 20-30 minute bike ride from the plant too. Probably 10 by car. My dad works at the Bethpage plant, he's been there for about 29 years now. Unfortunately, the entire company, except for some electronic warfare sectors, is moving off the Island. Mostly down to Florida and California. The E-2D is going to Melbourne. About 850 jobs will be lost here. And I'm also pretty close to Republic Airport as well. And frankly, if the campaign would start around 2015, thats fine with me. Gives me more time to acquire a joint project aircraft and learn something on building aircraft as aircraft usually aren't my MO.
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Posted: Friday, June 06, 2014 - 07:25 AM UTC

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Mike,
I grew up back in the 60's less then a 20 min bike ride from Grumman's main plants in Bethpage LI. My brother and I often rode our 3 speed English racer bikes there, and hung out around the fence watching various Grumman aircraft take off and land. My other favorite aircraft manufacture is Republic. The bike ride there was major outing, but we made that trip once in a while as well.

While a big fan of the F-14 family of cats, my personal favorite is the F6F Hellcats, and the P-47 Jugs from Republic.

Good luck with getting your Campaign approved. I wouldn't be surprised that when it is (you need 10 people to say they would sign up), you're assigned a early 2015 date.

Joel



Yeah I'm around a 20-30 minute bike ride from the plant too. Probably 10 by car. My dad works at the Bethpage plant, he's been there for about 29 years now. Unfortunately, the entire company, except for some electronic warfare sectors, is moving off the Island. Mostly down to Florida and California. The E-2D is going to Melbourne. About 850 jobs will be lost here. And I'm also pretty close to Republic Airport as well. And frankly, if the campaign would start around 2015, thats fine with me. Gives me more time to acquire a joint project aircraft and learn something on building aircraft as aircraft usually aren't my MO.



Mike,
Had no idea that you're also from LI. It's sure a small world. One just gets so use to online chatting with folks here from all over the world, that when I don't see any location listed, I just assume you're nowhere near LI.
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Posted: Sunday, June 08, 2014 - 10:22 AM UTC
Finally, I made my decision as to my official entry. I'll be building the 1/48 scale Hobby Boss A-6E Intruder. My plans and goals are pretty simple, some details will be added to the cockpit that I'll make myself, and maybe a set of the Quickboost ejection seats. The kit comes with White Metal landing gear, so I don't have to worry the usual plastic gear being able to hold up the model plus the weight needed to keep it from being a tail sitter. Still not sure if I want to have the wings folded or extended.

The F3F-1 will be just for the fun of it, and a kit that I will most likely start before the official start date.

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Posted: Sunday, June 08, 2014 - 10:26 AM UTC
Has everyone else settled on their Grumman campaign entries? Start date is July 1.
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Posted: Sunday, June 08, 2014 - 11:28 PM UTC
I haven't yet. I gave my dad a Revell F-14D a while back so I might ask about that. But a hobby store near me has a Kinetc E-2C that I'd love to build along with a Revell A-6 that's pretty cheap that I'm thinking of buying soon. Joel, are you by any chance in Nassau County? And have you heard of LISMS?
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Posted: Monday, June 09, 2014 - 12:10 AM UTC

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I haven't yet. I gave my dad a Revell F-14D a while back so I might ask about that. But a hobby store near me has a Kinetc E-2C that I'd love to build along with a Revell A-6 that's pretty cheap that I'm thinking of buying soon. Joel, are you by any chance in Nassau County? And have you heard of LISMS?



Michael,
I've read just about every review and build blog on the Kinetic Trackers and Tracers, which are two of my favorite Grumman aircraft. Unfortunately, the Kinetic kits are all very poorly designed and engineered, with the end result being major fit issues. But I've also read build blogs of finished kits that are truly master pieces. Just be prepared for a very rough journey. IMHO, the trip is worth the effort, especially since it's the only one in town.

I've lived in Suffolk county for nearly 45 years, but I grew up in Syosset, which is in Nassau county.

As for the club, yes I've heard of it. Back in the 70's it met at the Lindenhurst library, then moved to the VA hall in Babylon, and then a host of other places. My brother Peter and Bobby started the Suffolk IPMS chapter with a little help from me. I guess do to the lack of membership in each club, they once again joined back into one club that meets at the Lindenhurst Library. As a matter of fact I was talking to Nick Burro, an original long time member yesterday at Bobby's (South Shore Hobbies). I still run into some of the guys there. Unfortunately, some of them have passed away, as we're all getting up there in age

Joel
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Posted: Monday, June 09, 2014 - 12:59 AM UTC
Going with Eduard's F6F-3, VF-27 off USS Princeton with the famous cat's mouth of course. Originally I wanted to kitbash a Tigercat with AMT's -3 and Italeri's -3N and folded wings, but with all of the extra work I have planned for my PBJ-1D I didn't think I would have time for 2 kits that need a lot of attention. I'm still trying to get my P-51 off of my bench! Eduard's Hellcat profipack is an easy, straightforward build and looks outstanding out of the box, but I will add Wolfpack's wing fold set just to spice it up a bit. I built their F6F-5N OOB and loved the kit so much I went right out and picked up the F6F-3 and F6F-5(Late). I will just have to do the Tigercat some other time.

On a related but seperate note, have you read "Pacific Air" by David Sears, Joel? If you enjoy the history behind the aircraft, I would consider that a Must Read for any Grumman fan. It's an interesting look at the Pacific naval air war, the pilots, and the history of Grumman.
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Posted: Monday, June 09, 2014 - 01:44 AM UTC

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Going with Eduard's F6F-3, VF-27 off USS Princeton with the famous cat's mouth of course. Originally I wanted to kitbash a Tigercat with AMT's -3 and Italeri's -3N and folded wings, but with all of the extra work I have planned for my PBJ-1D I didn't think I would have time for 2 kits that need a lot of attention. I'm still trying to get my P-51 off of my bench! Eduard's Hellcat profipack is an easy, straightforward build and looks outstanding out of the box, but I will add Wolfpack's wing fold set just to spice it up a bit. I built their F6F-5N OOB and loved the kit so much I went right out and picked up the F6F-3 and F6F-5(Late). I will just have to do the Tigercat some other time.

On a related but seperate note, have you read "Pacific Air" by David Sears, Joel? If you enjoy the history behind the aircraft, I would consider that a Must Read for any Grumman fan. It's an interesting look at the Pacific naval air war, the pilots, and the history of Grumman.



Paul,
No I haven't read that book. to be honest about it, I've been reading mystery novels for the last several years. Will have to get a copy from the library and read it. Thanks for that heads up.

Looking forward to your Eduard 1/48 scale F6F-3, and I love the idea of the AM parts to fold the wings. With your skills I have no doubt it will turn out perfectly.

I'm intrigued with your PBJ-1D planned build. Knowing your modeling projects, I'm sure it will a highly detailed build. I really don't know much about them other then it's the Navy version of the B-25. What scale are you doing your build in? I have a 1/48 scale Accurate Miniuature's B-25 that I keep on looking at to push my skills another notch or two.
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Posted: Monday, June 09, 2014 - 02:38 AM UTC

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I'm intrigued with your PBJ-1D planned build. Knowing your modeling projects, I'm sure it will a highly detailed build. I really don't know much about them other then it's the Navy version of the B-25. What scale are you doing your build in? I have a 1/48 scale Accurate Miniuature's B-25 that I keep on looking at to push my skills another notch or two.



It is indeed Accurate Miniatures B-25C/D in 1/48, plus a pile of AMS / kit spares to convert her to a PBJ-1D. I'm building her for the bomber campaign. It's going to be complicated I think, so the Eduard Hellcat will be my "fun build" to keep me sane.
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Posted: Monday, June 09, 2014 - 02:53 AM UTC

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I'm intrigued with your PBJ-1D planned build. Knowing your modeling projects, I'm sure it will a highly detailed build. I really don't know much about them other then it's the Navy version of the B-25. What scale are you doing your build in? I have a 1/48 scale Accurate Miniuature's B-25 that I keep on looking at to push my skills another notch or two.



It is indeed Accurate Miniatures B-25C/D in 1/48, plus a pile of AMS / kit spares to convert her to a PBJ-1D. I'm building her for the bomber campaign. It's going to be complicated I think, so the Eduard Hellcat will be my "fun build" to keep me sane.



Paul,
I usually don't follow builds in campaigns I'm not in, so how about starting a separate build blog in the WW 11 forum?

Never met a dedicated modeler who wasn't just a little be insane

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Posted: Monday, June 09, 2014 - 05:13 PM UTC
Nah, we're all completely sane. *eyes twitches*
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Nah, we're all completely sane. *eyes twitches*



Michael,
How right you are.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 - 01:25 AM UTC
Hi to all!
Joel, your campaign wakes my interest! Since I've failed with my Phantom-Anniversary-build (lack of time) I'm planning the next one.
The only question to date is: Which Kit? and can I finally finish it.
My stash shows some Grummans, but I think there are already some xxxcats in the row.
So thinking about Revell's E-2C Hawkeye (1:144, a challenge for my eyes and fiddling )


or Italeri's/AM's TBF Avenger (1:48, a challenge for my skills )


I'll enlist the campaign after choosing the minor challenge...

best regards, Thomas
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Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 - 01:49 AM UTC
Thomas,
Just sign up, and then make your decision. Both of your choices sure seem like good ones to me. The Italeri kit is the old Accurate Miniature's kit, so you know it's a excellent engineered kit. From what I remember is that the wings are one piece, so they don't fold, making for one very large wing span.

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Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 - 02:03 AM UTC
Joel,
thank's for reply. I have also the AM-Kit (and others from AM; difference is just the plastic-quality - so if I ruin this one I have another chance anytime). Right. it's not foldable and storage is a later problem. Maybe I try to fold them by scratching - any advise to fill the open wings and adding details?
I really like this plane and the Kit is promising.
Thomas
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Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 - 02:30 AM UTC

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Joel,
thank's for reply. I have also the AM-Kit (and others from AM; difference is just the plastic-quality - so if I ruin this one I have another chance anytime). Right. it's not foldable and storage is a later problem. Maybe I try to fold them by scratching - any advise to fill the open wings and adding details?
I really like this plane and the Kit is promising.
Thomas



Thomas,
Yes, don't go that route. Hobby Boss makes several versions in 1/48 scale. I built their TBM-3, and thought it was a great kit. And the wings do fold, and has some detail, but not much in the wing openings. You can tell it was a build a long time ago, just checkout the antenna. My God!! I must have used some household thread. Never got around to redoing it.
Joel


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Posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 - 02:56 AM UTC
O.K., if I go with the Avenger, I'll do it with fixed wings!
Thank's for showing the pic (great build and paintjob - I'll be happy if mine comes out as half as good (exept the antenna )
Enlisted!
Thomas
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Posted: Monday, June 16, 2014 - 12:40 PM UTC
Thought I'd send out a reminder to all of you that have signed on for the Grumman campaign, that there is just two weeks to go. By now hopefully you should have decided on your entry, and have it ready to go.

After much mind changing as I posted last week, I finally decided on the Hobby Boss 1/48 scale A-6E intruder. I've just placed an order with Sprue bothers for the Fightertown Decals A-6A/A-6E Intruder Colorful Intruders Pt 1
$17.99, and the 1:48 Wolfpack Martin Baker GRU-7 Ejection Seats $.9.99. I've made sure that I have all the proper Tamiya Acrylic paints I need, since I'm going to have to mix a few colors.

Joel

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Posted: Monday, June 30, 2014 - 05:30 AM UTC
Well, the Grumman Campaign officially starts in just two more days. It's been quite a long wait. For those of you who plan on starting your builds on day one, please post your starting picture of the unbuilt kit in the official campaign thread once Michael creates one.

Joel