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Aircraft 'JEOPARDY' trivia 2
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Posted: Monday, August 01, 2005 - 05:24 AM UTC
A. The Gloster Meteor NF 13 operated by the RAF, Egyptian Air Force and Israeli Air Force.
B. An Israeli Meteor intercepted a Egyptian Air Force IL-14 carrying the Egyptian Minister of Defence back from Syria.
C. Classic Airframes

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Posted: Monday, August 01, 2005 - 08:12 AM UTC
A) I was thinking of the Gloster Meteor night fighter Mk.13, that was employed by the Brittish, the Israelis AND the Egyptians during the one and same conflict! (Notably, also the Syrians had Meteor N.F. Mk.13's at the time...)

The Mustang is not a bad answer, since it has served the Brits, the French and the Israelis. Only the latter employed them during the war of '56, though.

B) It was an Israeli Air Force NF.13, piloted by Captain Tsiddon and his navigator, that shot down an EAF Il-14 on the night of 28/29 October 1956. The Egyptian plane was supposed to carry the supreme commander of the Egyptian armed forces, Marchal Amer, on his way from Syria, but he was not on the plane that was shot down.

C) Classic Airframes has released a kit in 1/48, which includes i.a. decals for an RAF plane with Suez stripes and an Egyptian plane. Israeli markings should be available from Isra Decals. - Then one can build all three!!!



The reasons I shouldn't buy it!? Hmmmm, the only good reason must be that I'm saving it for a future "Suez campaign" build...

(Anone interested in getting one going!?)

A very cool page for finding out about the aircrafts used during the Suez conflict is this one; http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_257.shtml. It has a lot of very nice profiles, which are bound to inspire all builders of early jets! Here are a couple of examples;






So David, it looks like you got just about everything right!!! Please ask us the next question!

Cheers!!!
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Posted: Monday, August 01, 2005 - 09:45 AM UTC
Thanks PolarBear

Another option to make a Meteor NF 13 would be to convert the Matchbox/Revel 1/72 Meteor NF 11/12/14 kit. The NF 13 was the tropical version of the NF 11. The main difference was air-conditioning for the radar which added two small intakes.

Now the Question

Which aircraft was the US Navy's first carrier launched nuclear bomber?

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Posted: Monday, August 01, 2005 - 04:41 PM UTC
My best guess is the A3 Skywarrior.



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Posted: Monday, August 01, 2005 - 10:21 PM UTC
Brian

Actually the A-3 Skywarrior was the third nuclear bomber, but the second design that could return to the carrier.

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Posted: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 03:18 AM UTC
Hammerhead! What's up with the attitude?!

Please note that I did not consider your answer to my previous question as correct. (For example, I do not count cable as a "kill". Although the Mustang has been used by three countries, I was tinking of employment in the actual conflict). David's answer was correct. Thus, he got to pose the next question!

Perhaps my call was questionable. Big deal? I gave you credit too, didn't I? - Btw, I don't know David, and I don't know you.

Now stop acting like a sore looser, and please drop the attitude wherby you continously charge people of some lame conspiracy.

I do hope that you may enjoy a nice game of trivia instead!

Ps. What is a game of "keep away", who would benefit from it, and in what way?
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Posted: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 04:07 AM UTC
OK Hammerhead

The aircraft I was thinking about was the Lockheed P2V-3C Neptune. In March 1949 a P2V-3C carried out a simulated nuclear profile from the U.S.S Coral Sea. According to my sources ( Douglas AD Skyraider By Peter C. Smith) VX-3 evaluated the toss bomb delivery method in 1951. The North American AJ-1 Savage entered service in September 1949 which eventually replaced the P2V-3C

Some links about US Nukes
http://www.designation-systems.net/usmilav/nuke.html
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Weapons/Allbombs.html

The design requirement for the Skyraider was issued in july 1944, so I doubt the Skyraider was originally specified to carry Nukes.

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Posted: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 05:30 AM UTC
Please cite the document it would be of intrest. It appears that the AD-4B was also accepted into service in 1949 as I can't find percise dates for the in service dates for the P2V-3C, AJ-1 and AD-4B. You can have the next question and there is no "loop"

David

I'am always intrested in new information
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Posted: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 07:42 AM UTC
1= The Beaufighter had two qualities which the Bristol Blenheim lacked -- speed and firepower.
2= The initial proposal , as far as possible, to meet the requirements of specification F.11/37, and envisaged an aeroplane using a large proportion of Beaufort components, including the wings, tail assembly and undercarriage.
3= L. G. Frise and his design team at the Bristol Aeroplane Company .
Probley wrong, but fun looking it up :-)
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Posted: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 08:19 AM UTC
Thanks Roland, i didn't think to look at American planes .
My question is, what is the Soviet, Lavochkin 190's claim to fame ?
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Posted: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 09:17 AM UTC

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I don’t know what would qualify it for a “claim to fame”, but the La-190 was designed as a supersonic all weather fighter-interceptor..



You are on the right lines with this bit. But you will have to dig some more
P.S The rest of it was correct though.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 09:39 AM UTC
Andy

I would guess that the Lavochkin La-190 was the first soviet jet to exceed the speed of sound in level flight.

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Posted: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 09:52 AM UTC

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Andy

I would guess that the Lavochkin La-190 was the first soviet jet to exceed the speed of sound in level flight.

David


Correct David, Roland (where-ever he's gone) was on the right lines but didn't quite get there.
The Lavochkin La-190 hit mach 1.03, beleived to be on the 11 March 1951, thus becoming the first fighter in the world to do so.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 10:17 AM UTC
Not bad for an aircraft that only managed 8 flights!

My question is to find the aircraft with the most engines. RATO and JATO motors are not to be counted. You have 24 hours good luck!

I will start the ball rolling with Avro Vulcan Olympus test bed with 5 engines



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Posted: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 10:51 AM UTC
I'll throw in a classic! The Caproni Ca.60 nonaplane with its nine wings and eight engines...



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Posted: Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 09:14 AM UTC
One hour to go any advance on 8. I can think of two planes that have flown with 10 engines.

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Posted: Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 10:21 AM UTC
With 8 engines Polearbear is the winner.

The two aircraft that I could think of with 10 engines are:

Dornier D0 31
http://www.vstol.org/wheel/VSTOLWheel/DornierDo31.htm

Convair B 36
http://www.cowtown.net/proweb/B36_Home.htm

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Posted: Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 10:55 AM UTC
Now that, that is over just for fun look up the Helios High Altitude Solar Powered Vehicle, it has 14 motors and props. :-)
Probably doesn't qualify as an aircraft , but then I didn't have a question to ask either.
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Posted: Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 11:34 AM UTC
Cool plane, Chuck! I'm sure it would have qualified!

Now for something that struck me as rather odd.

Which type of aircraft was the first U.S. fighter to shot down a North Korean aircraft?

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Posted: Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 11:37 AM UTC
I'm sure i read somewhere, but can't be bothered to look up, that the space shuttle orbiter has about 17 jets(main and manouvering) but it probaly doesn't count as its technically a glider :-) :-)
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Posted: Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 06:58 PM UTC
Sorry Andy, but the space shuttle is the wrong answer.

The current question again;
Which type of aircraft was the first U.S. fighter to shot down a North Korean aircraft?
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Posted: Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 09:04 PM UTC
The first three North Korean airplanes destroyed by US forces were shot down by F-82s on June 27, 1950.
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Posted: Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 10:03 PM UTC
That's a whole lot better, Andy! :-)

And to think that I thought the P/F-82 was just another one of those experimental, goofy-looking planes!

The three kills were all accomplished by the G-version;



Here are some reviews of the existing kits.

Over to you, Andy!
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Posted: Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 10:54 PM UTC
Thanks Polarbear, those double fuselage planes always amaze me .
My question is what was the only mass produced military helicopter during W.W.2 called?
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Posted: Friday, August 05, 2005 - 08:00 AM UTC
The Sikorsky R-4 Hoverfly ?