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Discuss World War I and the early years of aviation thru 1934.
Discuss World War I and the early years of aviation thru 1934.
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Grigorovich M-5 Flying Boat
guitarlute101
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Posted: Thursday, September 11, 2008 - 04:04 PM UTC
Glad you like it Hugh and Stephen. I just hope it works. I've never tried this rigging idea before, I'm just indulging my imagination on this build. Here's some more pics of the bottom of the top wing.
I do a couple of struts a day. Patience is definitely required.
Mark
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Posted: Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 02:34 AM UTC
Now I don't have the Part PE set for these but , I do have Eduards and I will be trying this myself on a later project . This didn't come to mind at all when I built my D.V . Seems so much simpler then the twisted wire hoop thing that I have been using .
I'm guess that the holes would have to be drilled a little bigger to allow enough room for PE parts and struts to fit snugly ?
Very impressed with the craftsmanship you do , looking forward on seeing more .
I'm guess that the holes would have to be drilled a little bigger to allow enough room for PE parts and struts to fit snugly ?
Very impressed with the craftsmanship you do , looking forward on seeing more .
guitarlute101
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Posted: Saturday, September 13, 2008 - 10:34 AM UTC
Thanks for the compliments Terri. Just drill your strut holes a little larger than usual and they should work out fine. I'd test it on a blank sheet of styrene to figure out the best drill size.
Mark
guitarlute101
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Posted: Sunday, September 14, 2008 - 03:10 PM UTC
Hello all,
Here's a few pics of the homemade turnbuckles I've been working on.
Here's one laying on the wing so you can see the size in relation to the aircraft.
Mark
Here's a few pics of the homemade turnbuckles I've been working on.
Here's one laying on the wing so you can see the size in relation to the aircraft.
Mark
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Posted: Sunday, September 14, 2008 - 03:29 PM UTC
Wow neet , how many of those do you have to make ? I think I would be on the lazy side and go with Bob's buckles , but then again ......................
guitarlute101
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Posted: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 - 12:14 AM UTC
Terri,
You're right, I'll have to make quite a few of these turnbuckles but it's no problem. I just work on a few a day. Time is tight with work right now but it adds up when you do a little every day.
Mark
You're right, I'll have to make quite a few of these turnbuckles but it's no problem. I just work on a few a day. Time is tight with work right now but it adds up when you do a little every day.
Mark
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Posted: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 - 03:09 AM UTC
Any suggestions on how one might do this in 1/72 scale ?
guitarlute101
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Posted: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 - 03:27 AM UTC
Terri,
I haven't found any tubing small enough to be convincing in 1/72 (let alone being able to thread it). I still think the most convincing turnbuckles I've seen in 1/72 have been made by building up glue along the string to give a thickening effect of a turnbuckle. I don't think the eyelets would be seen from 72 feet away on a real aircraft. These are just my opinions so please take them as that. I'm sure there are many ways of replicating the turnbuckle effect if one chooses to do so. But to answer your question a little more accurately, the turnbuckles I make work well with 1/48 and probably more with 1/32. So far I have no new ideas for 1/72 turnbuckles. But.....I'm always searching and will be glad to share anything I come up with you.
Mark
I haven't found any tubing small enough to be convincing in 1/72 (let alone being able to thread it). I still think the most convincing turnbuckles I've seen in 1/72 have been made by building up glue along the string to give a thickening effect of a turnbuckle. I don't think the eyelets would be seen from 72 feet away on a real aircraft. These are just my opinions so please take them as that. I'm sure there are many ways of replicating the turnbuckle effect if one chooses to do so. But to answer your question a little more accurately, the turnbuckles I make work well with 1/48 and probably more with 1/32. So far I have no new ideas for 1/72 turnbuckles. But.....I'm always searching and will be glad to share anything I come up with you.
Mark
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Posted: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 - 01:55 PM UTC
Hay thanks Mark , I was planning on order Eduards 1/72 set , but I don't care for the flatness of them . I have an idea in my head once I work it out I'll share with every one .
guitarlute101
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Posted: Thursday, September 18, 2008 - 03:13 AM UTC
That would be excellent, Terri. Can't wait to see what you've come up with.
Today I'm pining the ailerons to the wings. I separated them after I finished the wings. The ailerons on the Grigs had 4 hinge points, so I measured out the aileron and divided by 5 to get the measurements and used brass rod for the pins. I like using brass rod because it is easy to bend.
More soon,
Mark
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Posted: Sunday, September 28, 2008 - 09:24 AM UTC
I've started on the rigging, time is getting tight with work and Master's classes again so I'll do what I can when I can.
Here's the bottom of the top wing....
Top wing on..................................
Mark
Here's the bottom of the top wing....
Top wing on..................................
Mark
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Posted: Sunday, September 28, 2008 - 11:32 AM UTC
Hi Mark,
Turn buckles have come up a treat.
Most inspiring.
Cheers,
Hugh
Turn buckles have come up a treat.
Most inspiring.
Cheers,
Hugh
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Posted: Sunday, September 28, 2008 - 12:23 PM UTC
Cool Mark ! They look fantastic . What type of rigging line are you using ?
Posted: Sunday, September 28, 2008 - 05:59 PM UTC
Hi Mark!
Fantastic work! There's a lot to learn here...
Jean-Luc
Fantastic work! There's a lot to learn here...
Jean-Luc
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Posted: Sunday, September 28, 2008 - 07:30 PM UTC
I agree with Jean - Luc wholeheartedly!
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Posted: Sunday, September 28, 2008 - 10:24 PM UTC
Yes a lot to learn. Watching closely as I am in the turnbuckle quandry right now in my build. Good points here. Thanks for sharing them.
Regards
Steve
Regards
Steve
guitarlute101
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Posted: Monday, September 29, 2008 - 09:24 AM UTC
Hello everyone,
Thanks for the comments, I'm glad it worked out as well as it did. Be forewarned that this method can have a high frustration element to it. I'm a rather patient person and there were a few times.................
Terri, I'm using regular fishing line colored with a black Sharpie.
Today was a marathon rigging event. Here are some pics.
I am rather pleased with how it has turned out so far. Send any questions you have.
Thanks for checking in,
Mark
Thanks for the comments, I'm glad it worked out as well as it did. Be forewarned that this method can have a high frustration element to it. I'm a rather patient person and there were a few times.................
Terri, I'm using regular fishing line colored with a black Sharpie.
Today was a marathon rigging event. Here are some pics.
I am rather pleased with how it has turned out so far. Send any questions you have.
Thanks for checking in,
Mark
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Posted: Monday, September 29, 2008 - 03:23 PM UTC
I'm very impressed Mark , I should have known adout the rigging medium ( silly me ) .
Seeing that it was black , I was thinking of something new . Sorry !
Seeing that it was black , I was thinking of something new . Sorry !
guitarlute101
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Posted: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 - 04:03 AM UTC
Terri,
I need to try some different rigging materials. I've stuck with fishing line with all of my builds up to this point. There is something about Sharpie ink (chemical reaction?) that makes superglue not want to harden as fast as it should.
And I need to find scissors that will cut the line where it comes out of the turnbuckle and not leave a short end sticking out. I bet the models shipbuilders would know what I could get for that.
Mark
I need to try some different rigging materials. I've stuck with fishing line with all of my builds up to this point. There is something about Sharpie ink (chemical reaction?) that makes superglue not want to harden as fast as it should.
And I need to find scissors that will cut the line where it comes out of the turnbuckle and not leave a short end sticking out. I bet the models shipbuilders would know what I could get for that.
Mark
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Posted: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 - 04:30 AM UTC
Mark , I was at one of the local fabric shops and came across smoke invisible thread , It's perfect for 48 scale . Before I was using the clear , but never did any colouring with a marker before . For scissors I use sewing ones for trimming the thread . I'm surprised on how close I could get with them .
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Posted: Saturday, October 18, 2008 - 05:06 PM UTC
Mark don't leave us hanging. You must finish this build please. I am chewing my fingernails to da bone.
guitarlute101
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Posted: Sunday, October 19, 2008 - 02:06 AM UTC
Stephen,
I'll be back at it shortly, I ran out of Strutz and hypodermic needle for my turnbuckles. My material is supposed to be here by Monday or Tuesday so I'll be back at it near the end of next week.
Stay tuned,
Mark
I'll be back at it shortly, I ran out of Strutz and hypodermic needle for my turnbuckles. My material is supposed to be here by Monday or Tuesday so I'll be back at it near the end of next week.
Stay tuned,
Mark
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Posted: Sunday, October 19, 2008 - 08:09 AM UTC
I can trade you some STRUTZ if you like. I need yellow tipped have all others to trade for.
guitarlute101
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Posted: Monday, October 27, 2008 - 01:13 PM UTC
Stephen,
Sounds like a great offer. I'll PM you soon about it.
I need a little help from my fellow modellers out there. I'm trying to detail the back of the Gnome 9 engine and I can't seem to find any pictures of what it should look like. I have the tube in place on the back but have no idea what to put on it or around it. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Here are some pictures so you can see where I'm at.....
Thanks for any help.
Mark
Sounds like a great offer. I'll PM you soon about it.
I need a little help from my fellow modellers out there. I'm trying to detail the back of the Gnome 9 engine and I can't seem to find any pictures of what it should look like. I have the tube in place on the back but have no idea what to put on it or around it. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Here are some pictures so you can see where I'm at.....
Thanks for any help.
Mark
guitarlute101
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Posted: Monday, October 27, 2008 - 02:21 PM UTC
Here's some work on the engine mount.
Plastic card cut to fit.............
I drilled the center hole and one on each corner..........................
Test fit..................
Struts painted light brown.....................
Struts painted dark brown and test fitted to the fuselage..................
Test fit the engine, it's drooping a little because it's not glued on yet....................
I'm still searching for info on the back of the engine hopefully something will turn up soon.
More soon,
Mark