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1/48 Roden's Fokker D.VII -Terri
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Posted: Thursday, November 13, 2008 - 05:58 AM UTC
Jan , thanks for the drink ! it was tasty .

It's really nice to here from you Dwayne and thank-you for the kind words .

I haven't done the lozenge yet , been working on the Ladies campaign build and just posted pic's of that . I will try and have this done soon so Jan's beer doesn't get warm !
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Posted: Friday, November 21, 2008 - 11:04 AM UTC
I think it is about time to show us some progress, Terri.
thegirl
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Posted: Sunday, November 23, 2008 - 03:34 AM UTC
Yes Carl , you are right . I'm almost caught up on the Ladies campaign now and will be turning my attention back on this build soon .
thegirl
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Posted: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 - 04:21 PM UTC
Okay guy's , I'm in need of some help here ................first I can't get the engine framing to line up right ...........engine doesn't fit at all . Frustration is starting and time to walk away and ask for some pointers from the guy's who have built this before .

Next question is .what colour is the fire wall and engine pan . photo's of restored aircraft show this to be alum , while other photo's show it to be RLM grey little more on the green side . Did this differ from which factory the aircraft was built ?
Kalt
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Posted: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 - 05:57 PM UTC

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first I can't get the engine framing to line up right ...........engine doesn't fit at all.



Hi Terri, I had the same problem, I don't remember exactly how I solved it but I think that I sanded down the inner section of the side panels.

About the colors, the firewall wasn't painted you should paint it aluminum but the engine's bearer, the upper, lower and side panels were painted light grey in OAW Fokker D.VII's, I used Gunze H-61 based in the restored OAW Fokker at the RAF museum.
I hope this helps
thegirl
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Posted: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 - 02:53 AM UTC
Thanks Kalt , helps me very much so . I won't be using any of the cowling parts the full engine will be out in the open to show Rodens excellent engine and the detail I add to it . The fit problem lies on the left side , carboratour is in the way causing the enigne barrier to set at an angle . I removed the carb and every thing fits , but it's a part which has to be there and there isn't much room at all for it to fit .
Kalt
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Posted: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 - 06:05 AM UTC
I have pictures of my build, perhaps you can see something that may help you with your problem.


thegirl
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Posted: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 - 03:09 PM UTC
That is prefect Kalt , just what I was seeking ! So the engine barriers are at a slight angle . would explain the fit issue . Howerever in the windsock datafile Fokker ant/ 3 the plans show this to be in the vertical position .

I think I will paint the frame work the same colour as the framing in the cockpit . I can't see them painting the frame in different colours .

Thank you so much for your help with this Kalt !
Lucky13
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Posted: Thursday, November 27, 2008 - 05:09 AM UTC
Looks great little Miss Mischief...!
Kalt
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Posted: Thursday, November 27, 2008 - 11:49 PM UTC
I'm glad that the pictures were useful. I found another one that may help you.

thegirl
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Posted: Saturday, November 29, 2008 - 01:45 AM UTC
thanks Kalt , another photo which is really helpful . Now have to add some plumbing .
I'm shooting for Monday to have some more pic up .
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Posted: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 - 02:52 AM UTC
Well Monday didn't happen for me nor did the weekend . Be twwen the hostipal and helping a friend move I didn't have alot of time to myself . I did fix the fit issue thanks to the excellent aid from Kalt . I will have pic's up soon . I'm getting closer to having this one done .
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Posted: Thursday, December 04, 2008 - 03:43 AM UTC
Hello there every one ! here is some pic's of the last efforts from the work bench .









Yes I know not much has been done , but the lower wing has been fitted and the front frame work . The engine hasn't been glued in place yet still have some more plumbing to add and smaller details .
None of the panels are going to used along with the rad . All of this will be out in the open air to show all the detail . Might not be 100% correct but I'm very pleased with my results so far and the level of detail in Rodens moldings . One thing to watch for is the plastic is very soft and one must watch the amount of sanding that is being done . i did make a few errors in this so hopefully they will not show up in the final assembly .

Hope you guy's like it so far .
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Posted: Thursday, December 04, 2008 - 09:14 AM UTC

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Yes I know not much has been done , but the lower wing has been fitted and the front frame work .



And yet, only the regular readers and contributors to this forum realise just how much effort goes into these small victories. Alignment being a key issue in WWI model building, we tend to spend longer than others might in making sure that everything is just so before we apply CA to the joints.

Take all the time you need to Terri. It is ultimately worth it.

Cheers,

Hugh
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Posted: Friday, December 05, 2008 - 02:11 AM UTC
Thanks Hugh , some times I do feel that this is taking longer then it should . Then I realize that it's not OOB either . Lots of dry fitting and redoing may parts because it did work or not the right materail to use . And my math is incorrect most of the time , not one of my strong points .

But yes , every thing has to be just so . If the lower wings are off it throws every thing out of whack , same with the top wing and then the struts follow suit . Every thing on these WW1 aircraft hangs from the top wing .

I will keep at it , start some of the plumbing already and should have more pic's up soon .
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Posted: Monday, December 08, 2008 - 06:30 PM UTC
Small up date , plumbing has been add and some other wire bits with boxes added to the fire wall .







Next I will add the lacing to the under side of the fuesalge and clean out the control cable holes .


Thats all for now folks !
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Posted: Monday, December 08, 2008 - 10:47 PM UTC
Terri, Looks great so far! When done with the stitching please post pics of the undersides. I have 3 of these kits in the stash. I back burnered the first one a couple of years ago because I couldn,t seem to get the forward fuselage, engine cowlings to line up with the lower wing/spar. Did you have ay problems in this area?
RAGIII
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Posted: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 - 03:10 AM UTC
Thanks Rick for the kind the words . I didn't think that anyone was still interested in the smaller builds any more since everyone is turning their attention to the Roden GB of late .

I had a hell of time trying to get things to line up right and even then i think I'm off on the left side . On the lower engine cowl ( part 28B ) there is a very small lip and I ended up resting the fuselage on this . I did try and follow the kit instructions but nothing would line up . so set those off to the side . I first glued parts 12 C in place the parts 33b , 34b . while the glue was still setting I then lined them up and glued 24b , 25b in place and did my final adjustments test fitting the engine many times to make sure every thing was lined up . Once I was happy with that small drops of super glue were place in key locations to hold the frame while the model glue cured over night . I have tested fitted the rad and it is a prefect fit . For the cowling sides well I really haven't done any thing with those . So I'm not sure what the fit of those parts will be .

I should be able to tackle the stitching tonight and drill out some holes and be ready to prime / and spray the white . I will post pic's of it before I do prime with the lower wing in place .
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Posted: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 - 02:09 PM UTC
Hey Rick , I still have some touch up to do but this is the out come so far .





Some light filling with plastic around the bottom cowling , but I do have a nice snug fit . My goal for the next few days is to start the lozenge on the top surface of the wings while the base coat dries on the fusealge .

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Posted: Saturday, December 13, 2008 - 04:27 AM UTC
Hi Terri
You impress me, I must say that. You have picked up the skill off build and photographing in a pace off your own. This build looking real good and I’m looking forward to your work in the bigger scale.

Larsa Q
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Posted: Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 03:19 AM UTC
Thank-you for the kind words Lars . I even seem to impress myself at times . I cleaned up the control wire holes on the fuselage and have started with the lozenge . Primer and base coat will go on today . So hopefully by end of the day I will have pic's up .

Not to sure on when i will be doing a 32 build . Have many projects to finish first so maybe some time in the new year I will be able to start one . Just not sure which one !
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Posted: Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 05:17 PM UTC
Base coat has been applied and the top lozenge on the wings . The lozenge decals are the new four colour from Microsculpt . i did have a mishap on the lower wing with lots of air bubbles , do to my fault so out comes the sewing needle ! I did ended up adding more pipping and still have a few more bits to add .











I will let this dry for a few days and then clear coat it before I do the black stripes . The top of the wings will be finished off before I do the bottom lozenge .
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Posted: Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 11:32 PM UTC
Hey Terri, looking good.

Are you going to mask and paint the Losenge? If so, do your self a massive favour and spray a few coats of clear as a protective layer over the decals. They will be much less likely to lift with the masking... Take it from one who has tried...

Cheers,

Hugh
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Posted: Monday, December 15, 2008 - 01:45 AM UTC
I like it ! but I think you should have painted the fuselage stripes first and then attach the lower wing and the stabilizer.
thegirl
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Posted: Monday, December 15, 2008 - 02:17 AM UTC
Thanks Hugh , If you are referring to the rib tapes I will use the Roden decals for this . But now that you guys have scared me about Roden decals I might paint them on after all .

One step a head of you Kalt ! the lower wings are not glued in place yet . I wanted to see what they would look like with the fuselage and the tail plane is only tacked in place for when I sprayed the white , which is the first time that it has every turned out for me .
I will seal the white with a few coats of future before I do the black stripes .
Once I clean up the air bubbles the wings will get a clear coat as well before I add the rib tapping .